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Old 06-13-2008, 11:35 AM
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thank you. The fact is, regardless of an occasional pinch of humor, i have no hate in my heart or animosity towards blacks. I simply feel this way because this is how I and many other whites feel.

The bible says you can't love God and hate your fellow man. I hate no one. If I passed by a black man who was getting beat up by 4 white bos, i would stop and help the black man. That's that.

But the things I have outlined in this thread are real. They are setiments widely shared amongst whites. I respect the way blacks feel, and I understand why they feel certain ways to an extent. I started this thread in honesty with the intent to lay real feelings out there for discussion.

personal attacks are not necessary and blacks and whites can discuss this thread in a civil manner.

You need to stop saying this crap. It's not widely shared by freakin whites. And everytime you say that, I feel like you're trying to pull us in to your ignorant ways.

You are being stereotypical and prejudice when you claim that this crap is widely shared by whites. Not only that, you're not helping the cause for race relations here.

Get out and see the freakin world. Nobody can make you think something. It's nobodies fault but your own that you feel a person with the color of black skin is all that crap you mentioned above.

There's black, white, jews, spanish, all kinds of racist people like you in all ethnicities. But there's also a billion more people in all those races that are just fine, and aren't what you claim they are. It's a shame to be ignorant, and live your life in fear because of a few bad experiences. There's a billion other blacks out there who have something to share, just as there is whites, spanish, etc.
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I'm impressed that you had enough free time to meet every black person in the world and learn everything about them.
Well, strictly speaking, I haven't met every particle of anthrax virus in the world either. Your suggesting I should withhold judgement until I do? I'm certain that you are.

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Some of you are very naive. You have no clue how much institutionalized racism there still is in this country. Just because there isn't slavery anymore does not mean there is not racism. One prime example, the school system. Before I get started an alarming majority of people of all races never move up on the socioeconomic scale. And because blacks are disproportionately in the bottom echelon of the scale they are handicapped more than anyone else.

Back to my example, the school system. Much of school funding comes from private donations, even in public schools. Therefore the location of schools plays a very important role in the type of education a child would get. Because blacks are disproportionately living in poor communities they are handicapped more than anyone else. Many black schools in the south are so poor that the students are not allowed to take home their books because the school would not be able to replace them if they were to be lost or damaged. How can you possibly expect a student from a school like this to compete with the grades and the national exam scores as those who live in a middle class community? You can't, yet they are held to the same standards. The cycle doesn't end.

Ask me about the judicial system.

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Some of you are very naive. You have no clue how much institutionalized racism there still is in this country. Just because there isn't slavery anymore does not mean there is not racism. One prime example, the school system. Before I get started an alarming majority of people of all races never move up on the socioeconomic scale. And because blacks are disproportionately in the bottom echelon of the scale they are handicapped more than anyone else.

Back to my example, the school system. Much of school funding comes from private donations, even in public schools. Therefore the location of schools plays a very important role in the type of education a child would get. Because blacks are disproportionately living in poor communities they are handicapped more than anyone else. Many black schools in the south are so poor that the students are not allowed to take home their books because the school would not be able to replace them if they were to be lost or damaged. How can you possibly expect a student from a school like this to compete with the grades and the national exam scores as those who live in a middle class community? You can't, yet they are held to the same standards. The cycle doesn't end.

Ask me about the judicial system.

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You are mostly wrong and here is why;

1) affirmative action = institutionalized racism.

2) public schools are funded by taxpayer dollars

3) if whites earn more ,then they pay more for school taxes meaning there is a disproportionate contribution rate to public education by whites

4) many school districts have directives to close the achievement gaps. IOW spend more time,money and energy on blacks. Never mind it will not work,but that's a topic for another thread and is institutionalzed racism.

5) and most importantly studies show that blacks that have the cognitive ability to succeed academically will succeed in spite of the quality of the school.
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You are mostly wrong and here is why;

1) affirmative action = institutionalized racism.

2) public schools are funded by taxpayer dollars

3) if whites earn more ,then they pay more for school taxes meaning there is a disproportionate contribution rate to public education by whites

4) many school districts have directives to close the achievement gaps. IOW spend more time,money and energy on blacks. Never mind it will not work,but that's a topic for another thread and is institutionalzed racism.

5) and most importantly studies show that blacks that have the cognitive ability to succeed academically will succeed in spite of the quality of the school.
Racially disproportionate numbers of people of color incarcerated. Phenomena of 'driving while black'.

Without affirmative action, people of color would not have made the gains they have because they would have been screened out and prevented from getting education and jobs. You have to cut diamonds with other diamonds. Institutional racism would not have changed much without affirmative action. Study history.
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Racially disproportionate numbers of people of color incarcerated. Phenomena of 'driving while black'.

Without affirmative action, people of color would not have made the gains they have because they would have been screened out and prevented from getting education and jobs. You have to cut diamonds with other diamonds. Institutional racism would not have changed much without affirmative action. Study history.

the red part I highlighted is racist, as a grandfather of children of color My son and his wife are teaching my grandchildren they count , they are smart and can do anything, independance comes from getting it on your own , there so many shining examples of men and women of color to use while teaching your kids that they can and should reach for the stars , Peace out!!!
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Racially disproportionate numbers of people of color incarcerated. Phenomena of 'driving while black'.

Without affirmative action, people of color would not have made the gains they have because they would have been screened out and prevented from getting education and jobs. You have to cut diamonds with other diamonds. Institutional racism would not have changed much without affirmative action. Study history.
When a disproportionate number commit crimes a disproportionate amount go to prison.


Racism changes with education, not Government programs.
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Racism changes with education, not Government programs.
i never understand why the same people who will jump up and down against giving a murderer the death penaly will at the same time say that its ok to use racism to combat racism.
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i never understand why the same people who will jump up and down against giving a murderer the death penaly will at the same time say that its ok to use racism to combat racism.
yeah I asked that when I was passed over on a job, and I was raised by a black man. I guess I hadn't built up enough street creds?
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You are mostly wrong and here is why;

1) affirmative action = institutionalized racism.

2) public schools are funded by taxpayer dollars

3) if whites earn more ,then they pay more for school taxes meaning there is a disproportionate contribution rate to public education by whites

4) many school districts have directives to close the achievement gaps. IOW spend more time,money and energy on blacks. Never mind it will not work,but that's a topic for another thread and is institutionalzed racism.

5) and most importantly studies show that blacks that have the cognitive ability to succeed academically will succeed in spite of the quality of the school.

1.) Affirmative action could be gender as well. Secondly affirmative action is a result of institutionalized racism.

2.) I stand corrected, under 5% (average) is from private donations. However local funding makes up 70% which is where I was getting at. It has been awhile since I studied this in college http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...333/860/281884

3.) Exactly, so the cycle never ends. We need this to change. Not by holding back whites but abling other minority groups to receive the same tools to play in the same league.

4.) Not enough, the problem needs to change from the ground up. From where the money comes from.

5.) You cannot compare the learning environment of a Orange County, CA High School with pools, unlimited resource library, state of the art computers, etc. to that of a run down high school in Flynt, Michigan. Learning has to be enjoyable not necessarily to the extent of some of these high class schools but there should a minimum standard far higher than what it is now.
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