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Yet Asians score higher than Europeans, so the implication that these scores are somehow biased is quickly disproved.
That just means the bias favors Asians. Asian families famously prize education and many of their kids are fanatic studiers. Thus, their doing well on IQ tests actually *supports* the claim that the scores are biased. If they actually measured intelligence, studying wouldn't help.

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If you doubt the test results which demonstrate that whites are smarter than blacks in general, all you have to do is look at the real test.....how well do blacks do in the real world compared to whites.
That assumes the playing field is level. In general, blacks start out at a lower socioeconomic place, which generally means fewer/poorer educational opportunities and thus lower scores.

Not to mention that the playing field was designed by and for Europeans. If a white man flounders in the Nigerian system -- which often rewards tribal, ethnic or religious ties -- is that because whites are inferior or because that system was designed by and for Nigerians?

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It becomes quite obvious that blacks are generally intellectually inferior to whites.
Keep telling yourself that.
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That just means the bias favors Asians. Asian families famously prize education and many of their kids are fanatic studiers. Thus, their doing well on IQ tests actually *supports* the claim that the scores are biased. If they actually measured intelligence, studying wouldn't help.



That assumes the playing field is level. In general, blacks start out at a lower socioeconomic place, which generally means fewer/poorer educational opportunities and thus lower scores.

Not to mention that the playing field was designed by and for Europeans. If a white man flounders in the Nigerian system, is that because whites are inferior or because that system was designed by and for Nigerians?



Keep telling yourself that.



If blacks were smarter than whites, we'd be the ones demanding reparations.....'nuff said.
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Anyone notice this:

IQ tests were designed by Europeans, with the idea of using 100 as an average score.

And lo and behold! Europeans have an average score of 100!!

That fact alone should be enough to tell you that IQ scores are not culturally independent, no matter how hard the test designers try to make them so.

Such "average" scores are criticized for one other reason as well: individual variation within a given group generally far exceeds the differences in averages between groups. So as a tool of social policy or analysis, it's useless.
Said with hate but repeating my point posted 10 minutes earlier. Well done lol
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The most telling IQ stat, given by this thread, is that people think that IQ can be measured in simple terms.

What if someone's bad at taking tests, but very intelligent?

Is someone who is genius at math but say a social retard smart or stupid?

If one persons opinion of smart is different from another's then does the definition change depending on who is reading the information presented?

Did you think about those questions before you made the thread? I doubt it.
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If blacks were smarter than whites, we'd be the ones demanding reparations.....'nuff said.
Who said anything about blacks being smarter than whites?

By your logic, the Japanese should have whupped our butts back when Admiral Perry opened up Japan to trade, or the British did the same with China. But they didn't, because they had basically stagnated technologically for centuries. So we went in with cannons and muskets and forced them to trade with us.

Lucky for them, that's all we did. With blacks, we enslaved them. Which is what reparations talk is about.

As you can see, such developments have nothing to do with the average IQ of each group.
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Who said anything about blacks being smarter than whites?

By your logic, the Japanese should have whupped our butts back when Admiral Perry opened up Japan to trade, or the British did the same with China. But they didn't, because they had basically stagnated technologically for centuries. So we went in with cannons and muskets and forced them to trade with us.

Lucky for them, that's all we did. With blacks, we enslaved them. Which is what reparations talk is about.

As you can see, such developments have nothing to do with the average IQ of each group.
The Japs have a similar IQ to whites, blacks have about a 20% deficit by comparison.


Japan has a thriving economy and is at the leading edge of innovation on many fronts.


When was the last time you bought an Ethiopian Car?
A Nigerian TV?
A Kenyan computer?
An Algerian Stereo?


Now, if you want to purchase a nice grass hut or some big wooden plates to put in your lips, Africa is the place to go!

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The Japs have a similar IQ to whites, blacks have about a 20% deficit by comparison.


Japan has a thriving economy and is at the leading edge of innovation on many fronts.
That's now. My point was, the Japanese were presumably just as intelligent back in the 1800s. But if we were having this discussion then, you'd be using their backwardness as evidence of their inherent inferiority.

IQ has nothing to do with why blacks were enslaved, and thus nothing to do with reparations. Just as it has nothing to do with why we were able to dominate Japan in the 1800s.

I realize you're just trolling. But it gets old.
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That's now. My point was, the Japanese were presumably just as intelligent back in the 1800s. But if we were having this discussion then, you'd be using their backwardness as evidence of their inherent inferiority.
No. The Japs are smart enough to modify their culture and economy as necessary. They are smart enough to overcome adversity.

Can't say the same for the blacks.



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IQ has nothing to do with why blacks were enslaved, and thus nothing to do with reparations. Just as it has nothing to do with why we were able to dominate Japan in the 1800s.
Tell me again how many African stereos, computers, TVs and cars you own......



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I realize you're just trolling. But it gets old.
I'm not trolling. You're just accusing me of that because I make a good point and one you cannot refute so the easiest thing to do is attempt to discredit me.

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lol. That's it though isn't it. It's about the fight, not the point. That's what will destroy us.
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That's now. My point was, the Japanese were presumably just as intelligent back in the 1800s. But if we were having this discussion then, you'd be using their backwardness as evidence of their inherent inferiority.

IQ has nothing to do with why blacks were enslaved, and thus nothing to do with reparations. Just as it has nothing to do with why we were able to dominate Japan in the 1800s.

I realize you're just trolling. But it gets old.
I think the main point is that innovation and a "logical" approach to viewing the world does not seem to have grown in many parts of Africa due to tribal communities and religion. They just don't see it as valuable, and prefer to live a simpler life. This might also have to do with the resources and the scarce contact with other cultures.

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