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Lots of silly stuff about test/cultural bias etc. The usual PC, "but but.."
When OF COURSE, IQ researchers have thought about that and other Variables and factored them out....::::

Race differences in average IQ are largely Genetic

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26-Apr-2005

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."

The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.

"Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause,"
write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.

"Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even AFTER matching on maternal education and other variables,"
said Rushton. "Therefore they CANNOT be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. That's why Jensen and I looked at the genetic hypothesis in detail. We examined 10 categories of evidence."
1. The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture.
Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

2. Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

3. The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

4. Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ Remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

6. Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race "Colored" population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.

7. IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

8. Race Differences in Other "Life-History" Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

9. Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

10. Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or "Head Start" programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.
In their article, Rushton and Jensen also address some of the policy issues that stem from their conclusions. Their main recommendation is that people be treated as individuals, not as members of groups. They emphasized that their paper pertains only to average differences. They also called for the need to accurately inform the public about the true nature of individual and group differences, genetics and evolutionary biology.

Rushton and Jensen are well-known for research on racial differences in intelligence. Jensen hypothesized a genetic basis for Black-White IQ differences in his 1969 Harvard Educational Review article. His later books Bias in Mental Tests (1980) and The g Factor (199, as well as Rushton's (1995) Race, Evolution, and Behavior, show that tests are not biased against English speaking minorities and that Black-White-East Asian differences in brain size and IQ belong in an evolutionary framework.

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I think the main point is that innovation and a "logical" approach to viewing the world does not seem to have grown in many parts of Africa due to tribal communities and religion. They just don't see it as valuable, and prefer to live a simpler life.
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Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.
Average IQ for blacks differs by 15 points based on where they live. Can you say "cultural differences"?

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As I said: IQ is useless for social policy or analysis because individual variation far exceeds group differences.
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Average IQ for blacks differs by 15 points based on where they live. Can you say "cultural differences"?
On the contrary Disingenuous Mod.
IQ for Blacks differs everywhere and anywhere- from Sub-saharan Africa to the USA to WITHIN adopted white parent families. Continentally (with different 'cultures' of the USA v Africa), Nationally, intra-famially. A complete sweep.
OOOOOPS!

I must say I have always found your logic lacking and Beyond that - your blindness to Presented facts troubling.

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Not at all "Useless"-- controversial certainly.
It would be good to know, ie, where and how much to put in dollars for Different types education for some groups v others.
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On the contrary Disingenuous Mod.
IQ for Blacks differs everywhere and anywhere- from Sub-saharan Africa to the USA to WITHIN adopted white parent families. Continentally (with different 'cultures' of the USA v Africa), Nationally, intra-famially. A complete sweep.
OOOOOPS!

I must say I have always found your logic lacking and Beyond that - your blindness to Presented facts troubling.
Okay, follow me closely here:

If. average. IQ. scores. of. a. given. race. vary. widely. based. on. non-genetic. factors., then. IQ. is. not. measuring. inherent. differences. It. is. culturally. biased.

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That is precisely what it sucks at. Because when individual variability is higher than group differences, you can't simply say "blacks (or whites) need extra educational help". Because there are plenty of blacks (or whites) who are way smarter or way dumber than the average -- and smarter (or dumber) than most whites (or blacks).

As a rule, when individual variability is higher than the difference in group averages, that leads to the conclusion that the group, however defined, is not a key determinant for that particular measure.
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I would have guessed that. Someone with no education and little ability to read or write isn't going to score 130 on an IQ test. Stands to reason. Likewise, throw some suburban prep school kid in the bush and see how long he lasts. He'll be dead in two days.
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Likewise, throw some suburban prep school kid in the bush and see how long he lasts. He'll be dead in two days.
Your being generous you know? Just the fact their cellphone has no bars will devastate them to the point of laying down and dying!
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I would have guessed that. Someone with no education and little ability to read or write isn't going to score 130 on an IQ test. Stands to reason. Likewise, throw some suburban prep school kid in the bush and see how long he lasts. He'll be dead in two days.
Are you kidding, he'll be the 'King of All Bushmen' within an hour!
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