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Part from Hegel's "Philosophy of History".
by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel 1770-1831


The peculiarly African character is difficult to comprehend, for the very reason that in reference to it, we must quite give up the principle which naturally accompanies all our ideas — the category of Universality. In Negro life the characteristic point is the fact that consciousness has not yet attained to the realizatio of any substantial objective existence — as for example, God, or Law — in which the interest of man’s volition is involved and in which he realizes his own being. This distinction between himself as an individual and the universality of his essential being, the African in the uniform, undeveloped oneness of his existence has not yet attained; so that the Knowledge of an absolute Being, an Other and a Higher than his individual self, is entirely wanting. ..

The undervaluing of humanity among them reaches an incredible degree of intensity. Tyranny is regarded as no wrong, and cannibalism is looked upon as quite customary and proper. Among us instinct deters from it, if we can speak of instinct at all as appertaining to man. But with the Negro this is not the case, and the devouring of human flesh is altogether consonant with the general principles of the African race; to the sensual Negro, human flesh is but an object of sense — mere flesh. At the death of a King hundreds are killed and eaten; prisoners are butchered and their flesh sold in the markets; the victor is accustomed to eat the heart of his slain foe. When magical rites are performed, it frequently happens that the sorcerer kills the first that comes in his way and divides his body among the bystanders. Another characteristic fact in reference to the Negroes is Slavery. Negroes are enslaved by Europeans and sold to America. Bad as this may be, their lot in their own land is even worse, since there a slavery quite as absolute exists; for it is the essential principle of slavery, that man has not yet attained a consciousness of his freedom, and consequently sinks down to a mere Thing — an object of no value. Among the Negroes moral sentiments are quite weak, or more strictly speaking, non-existent. Parents sell their children, and conversely children their parents, as either has theopportunity. Through the pervading influence of slavery all those bonds of moral regard which we cherish towards each other disappear, and it does not occur to the Negro mind to expect from others what we are enabled to claim. The polygamy of the Negroes has frequently for its object the having many children, to be sold, every one of them, into slavery; and very often naive complaints on this score are heard, as for instance in the case of a Negro in London, who lamented that he was now quite a poorman because he had already sold all his relations. In the contempt of humanity displayed by the Negroes, it is not so much a despising of death as a want of regard for life that forms the characteristic feature. To this want of regard for life must be ascribed the great courage, supported by enormous bodily strength, exhibited by the Negroes, who allow themselves to be shot down by thousands in war with Europeans. Life has a value only when it has something valuable as its object.

Turning our attention in the next place to the category of political constitution, we shall see that the entire nature of this race is such as to preclude the existence of any such arrangement. The standpoint of humanity at this grade is mere sensuous volition with energy of will; since universal spiritual laws (for example, that of the morality of the Family) cannot be recognized here. Universality exists only as arbitrary subjective choice. The political bond can therefore not possess such a character as that free laws should unite the community. There is absolutely no bond, no restraint upon that arbitrary volition. Nothing but external force can hold the State together for a moment. A ruler stands at the head, for sensuous barbarism can only be restrained by despotic power. But since the subjects are of equally violent temper with their master, they keep him on the other hand within limits. Under the chief there are many other chiefs with whom the former, whom we will call the King, takes counsel, and whose consent he must seek to gain, if he wishes to undertake a war or impose a tax. In this relation he can exercise more or less authority, and by fraud or force can on occasion put this or that chieftain out of the way. Besides this the Kings have other specified prerogatives. Among the Ashantees the King inherits all the property left by his subjects at their death. In other places all unmarried women belong to the King, and whoever wishes a wife, must buy her from him. If the Negroes are discontented with their King they depose and kill him. In Dahomey, when they are thus displeased, the custom is to send parrots’ eggs to the King, as a sign of dissatisfaction with his government. Sometimes also a deputation is sent, which intimates to him, that the burden of government must have been very troublesome to him, and that he had better rest a little. The King then thanks his subjects, goes into his apartments, and has himself strangled by the women. Tradition alleges that in former times a state composed of women made itself famous by its conquests: it was a state at whose head was a woman. She is said to have pounded her own son in a mortar, to have besmeared herself with the blood, and to have had the blood of pounded children constantly at hand. She is said to have driven away or put to death all the males, and commanded the death of all male children. These furies destroyed everything in the neighborhood, and were driven to constant plunderings, because they did not cultivate the land. Captives in war were taken as husbands: pregnant women had to betake themselves outside the encampment; and if they had born a son, put him out of the way. This infamous state, the report goes on to say, subsequently disappeared. Accompanying the King we constantly find in Negro States, the executioner, whose office is regarded as of the highest consideration, and by whose hands, the King, though he makes use of him for putting suspected persons to death, may himself suffer death, if the grandees desire it. Fanaticism, which, notwithstanding the yielding disposition of the Negro in other respects, can be excited, surpasses, when roused, all belief. An English traveller states that when a war is determined on in Ashantee, solemn ceremonies precede it: among other things the bones of the King’s mother are laved with human blood. As a prelude to the war, the King ordains an onslaught upon his own metropolis, as if to excite the due degree of frenzy. The King sent word to the English Hutchinson: ‘Christian, take care, and watch well over your family. The messenger of death has drawn his sword and will strike the neck of many Ashantees; when the drum sounds it is the death signal for multitudes. Come to the King, if you can, and fear nothing for yourself.” The drum beat, and a terrible carnage was begun; all who came in the way of the frenzied Negroes in the streets were stabbed. On such occasions the King has all whom he suspects killed, and the deed then assumes the character of a sacred act. Every idea thrown into the mind of the Negro is caught up and realized with the whole energy of his will; but this realization involves a wholesale destruction. These people continue long at rest, but suddenly their passions ferment, and then they are quite beside themselves. The destruction which is the consequence of their excitement, is caused by the fact that it is no positive idea, no thought which produces these commotions; — a physical rather than a spiritual enthusiasm. In Dahomey, when the King dies, the bonds of society are loosed; in his palace begins indiscriminate havoc and disorganization. All the wives of the King (in Dahomey their number is exactly 3,333) are massacred, and through the whole town plunder and carnage run riot. The wives of the King regard this their death as a necessity; they go richly attired to meet it. The authorities have to hasten to proclaim the new governor, simply to put a stop to massacre.

From these various traits it is manifest that want of self-control distinguishes the character of the Negroes. This condition is capable of no development or culture, and as we see them at this day, such have they always been.


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Hegel was a liar, tyranny was far worse in Europe, Tyranny in Africa only began with the arrival of colonialism, especially afterwards when the artificial countries pitied people of different nations into one state, how would the British feel if ruled by French, why should Hutu's want to be ruled by Tutsis, these African states were created that way so that Europeans could divide and rule Africa that way the white man was always master. Unlike the Chinese and Indians who came to Africa before Europeans,the Whites and Arabs came to enslave and brutalize and looked for excuses for enslaving and brutalizing.

Cannibalism how come it is only whites who saw cannibalism, one will end up saying Jeffrey Dhrma is an African but then that was over 100 years ago, God, what is that concept oldest civilizations know that is nonsense, Bhuda, Taosim, grabage, there is only the spirit. In Gods name whites murderd and plundered the world, grabage and trash, virgin birth, hmm only an insane deluded mind could believe that. too still believe it in 2008 is to deny reality.
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Hegel was a liar, tyranny was far worse in Europe, Tyranny in Africa only began with the arrival of colonialism, especially afterwards when the artificial countries pitied people of different nations into one state,
No, those people telling you romantic fantasy about an Africa that never existed are liars. Those were the actual circumstances in Africa and when the British abolished slavery the Africans actually resisted and attacked them because the clan leaders saw it as their personal right to sell their own people.

The history you were told is mostly a propaganda lie.

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Cannibalism how come it is only whites who saw cannibalism,
Cannibalism still exist there, just recently I saw a video about Liberia war cannibalism showing Africans acting in the way Hegel described them, they were talking about the fact that human flesh is just meat for them. There were dead people lying on the streets with their organs and other parts of their bodies cut out for consumption! Cannibalism is connected with their believe in voodoo, eating the flash of a slain foo is believed to provide them with magical powers. Cannibalism is still a reality in sub-Saharan Africa and so is pretty much everything else Hegel described.

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"The only essential connection that has existed and continued between the Negroes and the Europeans is that of slavery. In this the Negroes see nothing unbecoming them, and the English who have done most for abolishing the slave-trade and slavery, are treated by the Negroes themselves as enemies. For it is a point of first importance with the Kings to sell their captured enemies, or even their own subjects; and viewed in the light of such facts, we may conclude slavery to have been the occasion of the increase of human feeling among the Negroes. The doctrine which we deduce from this condition of slavery among the Negroes, and which constitutes the only side of the question that has an interest for our inquiry, is that which we deduce from the Idea: viz., that the “Natural condition” itself is one of absolute and thorough injustice" -- Hegel
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No, those people telling you romantic fantasy about an Africa that never existed are liars. Those were the actual circumstances in Africa and when the British abolished slavery the Africans actually resisted and attacked them because the clan leaders saw it as their personal right to sell their own people.

The history you were told is mostly a propaganda lie.



Cannibalism still exist there, just recently I saw a video about Liberia war cannibalism showing Africans acting in the way Hegel described them, they were talking about the fact that human flesh is just meat for them. There were dead people lying on the streets with their organs and other parts of their bodies cut out for consumption! Cannibalism is connected with their believe in voodoo, eating the flash of a slain foo is believed to provide them with magical powers. Cannibalism is still a reality in sub-Saharan Africa and so is pretty much everything else Hegel described.

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How comes I have never seen it, post it on the net, you know in Alberta Canada a white guy was caught by the police sleeping with a cow.

But anyway, blacks resisted the slave trade, we know for a fact that the Zulu's Shangaans, Ndebeles all fought the Portugues and later British because they refused to sell their people into slavery, no the history you are reading is incomplete.
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How comes I have never seen it, post it on the net, you know in Alberta Canada a white guy was caught by the police sleeping with a cow.
Because such infos contradict certain ideologies currently predominant in our society and are thus more or less hidden. The media shows what those people in control of it want to be seen. Currently the media is run by Jewish Marxists with an agenda against white people in support of uncontrolled immigration. The reality in Africa is not conform with their agenda and the ideology they spread and so they don't tell the people about it.


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But anyway, blacks resisted the slave trade, we know for a fact that the Zulu's Shangaans, Ndebeles all fought the Portugues and later British because they refused to sell their people into slavery, no the history you are reading is incomplete.
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Read page 7, http://media.wiley.com/product_data/...0470850671.pdf, they make excuses but the real reason is here,
smashing clonisers whilst they had guns http://www.tribes.co.uk/countries/so...genous/ndebele
http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/go...reat-trek1.htm
Man like this http://www.johnnyclegg.com/shaka.htm
http://www.south-africa-tours-and-travel.com/zulu.html

You know, life is life, why do you think white people hate anybody from Shaka, Mzilikazi, Soshangane, these people resisted, they refused white domination, well they lacked a gun, now look at Africa the British, French sponser anybody who will prevent such man from ever rising because people hate a man who thinks. A man who thinks is free. There is a British General who said that the Ndebeles must be wiped out because they will not yield. Do you know wherethe statement "so what we still have the maxim gun" comes from, it was the British who knew without technological supriority they had no chance against Mzilikazi, hence the doctrine to this day to keep the enemy technologically inferior at all cost at the same time claiming superiority over him. Understand though claiming to be civilized more, every one know with a little effort everybody would have an atomic bomb, so th con, they are inferior and the reality stop them we are all just men.

Indeed slavery was a problem in East and West Africa, but these men in the links above refused to participate, they would rather kill a traitor than sell him. The time is long gone, we are just men all of us. Hegel was a liar.
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@Celestial, you are using "liar" to refer to someone that is wrong, when, and this is just my limited understanding, it means someone who intentionally speaking things they know to be untrue. Not everybody is as infinitely knowledgeable on the subject as yourself. Who's to know whether Hegel actually even knew about these tribes of which you speak. I am completely okay with Hegel being wrong. I have some major beef with phenomenology. His thoughts on architecture are interesting, but again I have a major axe to grind there too. But "liar," I think, implies that he had cognizance of this resistance and chose to ignore it, which I find unlikely. It was a popular twist to romanticize the "noble native," and I think that this example that you sight would have been jumped upon like someone like Rousseau or even Hegel, despite his pessimism. I feel like the majority of your reaction comes from the need to defend the moral character of "native Africans" when that demographic is blatantly a construction of the imperialist power that Hegel is a theologian of. I think we are just taking Hegel out of context, as well as the evidence that you, Celestial, put forward. It takes a lot more than we can attempt to do here to make sense of any of this, talking about Hegel and slavery is biting off way more than we can hope to chew. I am fine with the verdict that he was ignorant, wrong, maybe at times a "liar" even though I don't like that word in this context... Us calling him racist is a bit peculiar because racism as we know it is a concept that is temporally situated and arose with the era of segregation; before that it was imperialism and slavery, yet I will assent to him being (anachronistically) labeled a racist. But I don't know if we really need to prove that the Africans had agency in this story. We can prove Hegel wrong, but he's already dead so any outrage we bring against him is really just because a nerve was struck within ourselves, not because we can change what he said.

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Because such infos contradict certain ideologies currently predominant in our society and are thus more or less hidden. The media shows what those people in control of it want to be seen. Currently the media is run by Jewish Marxists with an agenda against white people in support of uncontrolled immigration. The reality in Africa is not conform with their agenda and the ideology they spread and so they don't tell the people about it.




Can you provide links?
Um, get your facts straight on Marxism. It is about improving the conditions of those who are trampled under foot and getting their voices heard. Morever, while Marxist rhetoric has become the mainstay of academia of worldwide, they kind of lost. Capitalism has subsumed it. You would be hard pressed to find proof that marxists hold the keys to hegemony anywhere. It's the neo-imperialists that don't want to talk about Africa. We, as westerners either American or otherwise, have the blood on our hands of tearing up a continent literally and culturally more thoroughly than almost any other time in history. That's why we loved Kenya, it was the country that, despite "Africa's short comings" could still thrive in the world dictated by America-centric capitalism despite what had been done to it by capitalism and imperialism. The reason we don't like to talk about it in the news these days? Kenya is the country that we use to assuage our guilt about Africa, and now that it is flying apart we don't like to talk about it because it makes us guilty and shows that we failed. It isn't marxists that are scared of talking about Africa, it is quite the opposite. It is the capitalists that are, unless they are buying (Red) products to show how they "helped" Africa.
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African Uplands was a term commonly used by European scholars, especially in the 19th century. It refers to the region now commonly known as Sub-Saharan Africa. The term African Upland became an important element of philosophical and historical study at that time, especially because works by Hegel and theories deriving from the imputed characteristics of the history of the African Upland became the basis for the utopian vision of communism. For Karl Marx and others, the African Upland represented a model for the perfection of society.

In part two of his seminal work on the philosophy of history, titled "Geographical Basis Of History" 1857, Hegel asserted that "of the three portions of the globe with which History is concerned...Africa has for its leading classical feature the Upland." Hegel goes on in great detail to derive a theory of history based on the geographical characteristics of the Upland in contrast with the important regions of Asia and Europe.

Hegel was clearly unfamiliar with the history and geography of Africa, yet he based his entire theory of history on this incomplete view. Hegel divided Africa into three parts corresponding to "that which lies south of the desert of Sahara, - Africa proper, - the Upland almost entirely unknown to us; the second is that to the north of the desert, - European Africa (if we may so call it), - a coast-land; the third is the river region of the Nile, the only valley-land of Africa, and which is in connexion with Asia."

Hegel claimed that the African Upland was an ancient Utopia, which he called a golden land that had become insulated from moral corruption. He wrote that "Africa proper, as far as History goes back, has remained - for all purposes of connection with the rest of the World - shut up; it is the Gold-land compressed within itself, - the land of childhood, which lying beyond the day of self-conscious history, is enveloped in the dark mantle of Night. Its isolated character originates not merely in its tropical nature, but essentially in its geographical condition."

Hegel claimed that the African interior "surrounded by these mountains is an unknown Upland, from which on the other hand the Negroes have seldom made their way through"...except when there were "outbreaks of terrible hordes which rushed down upon the more peaceful inhabitants of the declivities. Whether any internal movement had taken place, or if so, of what character, we do not know."

The most significant idea underpinning Hegelian Dialectics, which was incorporated into ideas that continue to be repeated, and which later formed the putative basis of modern intellectual anti-African racism, was Hegel's claim that Upland Negroes continued to exist in a state of consciousness which he called as the Infancy of Humanity.

In Hegel's otherwise brilliant theses, one confronts in his understanding of Africans a naive and troubling lack of intellectual rigour. He claims that black Africans not only constitute a unique and separate race, but that humanity lacks the scientific or intellectual tools with which to comprehend black Africans. Hegel wrote that "the peculiarly African character is difficult to comprehend, for the very reason that in reference to it, we must quite give up the principle which naturally accompanies all our ideas, - the category of Universality."

Hegel believed that African Uplanders were a unique phenomenon both historically and biologically. "In Negro life the characteristic point is the fact that consciousness has not yet attained to the realization of any substantial objective existence, -as for example, God, or Law, - in which the interest of man's volition is involved and in which he realizes his own being. This distinction between himself as an individual and the universality of his essential being, the African in the uniform, undeveloped oneness of his existence has not yet attained."

The contradictions that Hegel incorporated in his theories on Africans subsequently became decisive characteristics of Marxist analyses, of anthropology and sociology, and continue to be an important component of modern economic theory. Like other leading thinkers such as Immanuel Kant and Friedrich Nietzsche, Hegel's racist outbursts against Africans is the central weakness of his theses. Many African scholars justifiably dismissed these thinkers because of their irrational and erroneous views of Africa. Moreover, the false claims that Hegel made about Africa provided theoretical rationalisation for the genocidal tendencies of the Bolsheviks and Nazis, as well as the rise of Colonialism and Neocolonialism."

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