I was in Chicago this weekend and a friend of mine played the soundtrack to Avenue Q for me-- it is laugh-out-loud funny. I think I have to go see this show when I hit NY in the Spring; for those unfamiliar with it, it's basically a grown-up, slightly (OK... quite) perverted version of Sesame Street...

Anyhow, the song is a little long (I edited the format as best I could to save space)... I had to post it, though-- I could hear EuP in my head saying some of the lyrics...

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Everyone's A Little Bit Racist

Princeton and Kate Monster: I guess we're both a little bit racist. / Admitting it is not an easy thing to do... / But I guess it's true. / Between me and you, I think... /Everyone's a little bit racist Sometimes. Doesn't mean we go Around committing hate crimes. Look around and you will find No one's really color-blind. Maybe it's a fact We all should face Everyone makes judgments Based on race.

Now not big judgments, like who to hire or who to buy a newspaper from... / No! / No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican busboys should learn to speak good English! / Right!

Everyone's a little bit racist Today. So, everyone's a little bit racist Okay! Ethinic jokes might be uncouth, But you laugh because They're based on truth. Don't take them as Personal attacks. Everyone enjoys them - So relax!

All right, stop me if you've heard this one... / OK! / There's a plane going down and there's only one paracute. And there's a rabbi, a priest... / And a black guy!

Gary Coleman: Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Kate?

Kate Monster: Uh...

Gary Coleman and Princeton: You were telling a black joke! / Well, sure, Gary, but lots of people tell black jokes. / I don't. / Well, of course you don't - you're black! But I bet you tell Polack jokes, right? / Well, sure I do. Those stupid Polacks! / Now, don't you think that's a little racist? / Well, I guess you're right.

Kate Monster: You're a little bit racist.

Princeton/Kate Monster/Gary Coleman: Well, you're a little bit too. We're all a little bit racist. I think that I would Have to agree with you. We're glad you do. It's sad but true! Everyone's a little bit racist - All right! All right! All right! All right! Bigotry has never been Exclusively white. If we all could just admit That we are racist a little bit, Even though we all know That it's wrong, Maybe it would help us Get along.

Oh, Christ do I feel good. /Now there was a fine upstanding black man! / Who? / Jesus Christ. / But, Gary, Jesus was white. / No, Jesus was black. / No, Jesus was white. / No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black... / Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish! (laughter)

Brian and Gary Coleman: Hey guys, what are you laughing about? / Racism! / Cool.

Christmas Eve:
BRIAN! Come back here! You take out lecycuraburs!

Princeton/Brian/Kate Monster: What's that mean? / Um, recyclables. Hey, don't laugh at her! How many languages do you speak? / Oh, come off it, Brian! Everyone's a little bit racist. / I'm not! / Oh no? / Nope! How many Oriental wives Have you got?

Christmas Eve:
What? Brian!

Princeton:
Brian, buddy, where you been? The term is Asian-American!

Christmas Eve and Brian:
I know you are no Intending to be But calling me Oriental - Offensive to me! / I'm sorry, honey, I love you. / And I love you. / But you're racist, too.

Christmas Eve:
Yes, I know. The Jews have all The money And the whites have all The power. And I'm always in taxi-cab With driver who no shower!

Princeton and Kate Monster:
Me too! / Me too!

Gary Coleman:
I can't even get a taxi!

All:
Everyone's a little bit racist It's true. But everyone is just about As racist as you! If we all could just admit That we are racist a little bit, And everyone stopped being So PC Maybe we could live in - Harmony!

Christmas Eve:
Evlyone's a ritter bit lacist!

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"Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the Unites States. Ask any Indian." ~Robert Orben

I do think there is alot of truth in this song, and this world would be a better place if we all could admit that we have our own racial issues.

Catz

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Walter Stratford: Hello, Kat. Make anyone cry today?
Kat Stratford: Sadly, no. But it's only 4:30.

just a "little bit" doesn't apply to EuP

But he is also entitled to his, whether or not we agree with him.

And as a "person of color" who has had meaningful discourse with EuP for well over a year now (sometimes slight agreement but often vehement disagreement), I have found him to be far less racist in his interactions than in his words... take that as you will...

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"Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the Unites States. Ask any Indian." ~Robert Orben

I think we often confuse prejudice with racism, even though they are closely connected. I think all of us are prone to prejudice (unfair or uneducated assumptions), but unless you feel your race is superior to other races based mostly on the fact that you feel race to be the primary contributor to personal traits, then you are not racist.

EuP is not very discriminatory (in the sense that he will converse openly with any race), but he is racist through and through by his own word. He is not less racist simply because he doesn't ignore you or insult you.

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lambaste me not

after he called Audrasun a "puke Jew" out of the blue with no reason. Search his posts and you will see it.

he showed his true self.

"I have found him to be far less racist in his interactions than in his words"

it really is up to you to prove it.

I don't necessarily have a problem with racists. I've known alot of racists in my life, and frankly, my parents are rather racist. People are entitled to their own opinions, and it doesn't diminish me in any way for them to prefer their own race.

I know plenty of black folks who don't really want to have much to do with white folks. And, racism is nothing more than racial prejudice, it isn't necessarily believing one's race is superior, that's white supremacism (or the corresponding hue).

I think that Eup makes many valid points in which he points out areas in which racial supremacism is supported and/or condoned in our society as long as the people doing it aren't white.

For instance, in our area, an award is given every year in every school to the minority educator of the year. We were driving by the school the other day and my brown husband said, "HOw stupid is that? Can you imagine the uproar if they named the white educator of the year? Why can't they just name the teacher of the year and leave it at that?"

In a way, this is a form of minority supremacism, in which people of a particular hue are treated in ways that would not be allowed for a white person.

I'd like to see our country move past such stupidity.

Catz

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Walter Stratford: Hello, Kat. Make anyone cry today?
Kat Stratford: Sadly, no. But it's only 4:30.

Again, I've been conversing with EuP for well over a year; I don't need to search his posts-- I've a pretty good idea where he stands. This is MY experience with EuP-- I have never seen him be openly racist toward any ONE person-- toward concepts and ideas, most certainly; his contention mostly seems to be with societal systems. I never claimed he wasn't racist, just that he may be less racist than he appears to be.

Truth be told, EuP is a tribalist more than anything else-- his preference for association is his specific clan (and yes, the spelling IS correct here); hypothetically speaking (mind you, the odds of this are about a zillion to one, but), if a brown-skinned person maintained ties to his familial group (not just in name but also in culture and tradition), I'd guess he'd welcome them moreso than non-afiliated Whites... can't swear to it, but that would be my guess...

I've learned alot from EuP-- our discussions have caused me to think critically about my personal viewpoint (Why do I believe what I believe?) and have helped me to re-examine some of my own prejudices regarding those who are prejudiced. Simply because I disagree with him does not mean that I'll denigrate him as a human-- his position? Yes. Him? No.

In MY personal life experience, I've dealt with supposed non-racists whose behavior and words were in complete opposition; I've heard, "I'm not racist, but..." more times than I can count. Contrast that to EuP who admits his prejudice but is open to discussing issues and is willing to hear perspectives other than his own.

I find his brand of racism MUCH easier to deal with than those who smile in my face and spit in my food when I'm not looking...

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"Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the Unites States. Ask any Indian." ~Robert Orben

In my conversations with EuP, he feels that the white race is superior to the black race. That means he is racist. You can't be sorta racist, or less racist. You either are or you are not. This does not mean that he is frothing at the mouth and spitting blood and killing in the streets, but he is definitely racist.

I guess there is no way to tell. But my guess is that he would shun the person, not for being black, but for being a biological anomaly which would need to be cleansed from the family bloodline so as not to water down the family traits.

I don't know who is denigrating him as a person. I am not. In my discussions with him, I have found his words to be big, but his logic flawed.

Me too. People really need to look at themselves and wonder if they feel that their race is superior to other races. EuP sees this as an objective truth. I see it as subjective. Race is such a mirage (unless you are talking about family lineage). Black, white, Asian, it's all flexible and hard to define, which is why determining one as being better than the other is a futile task. What about the people who fall middle of the racial profile? How do we classify them?

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http://www.politicalforum.com/viewto...asc&&start=225

"No Jew puke, please. You already disgust me enough with your inferiority. "