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He doesn't know all the facts , but he draws a conclusion regardless and publicly chastized the police dept without all the facts. This seems to be a pattern with this admin and congress. They pass bills without reading them and they pass judgment without knowing the facts. This is no way to improve race relations Mr. Obama, inflaming situations you don't even know much about.

BTW, this happened in a flaming liberal jurisdiction and it DIDN'T happen in the south! Man this all must blow the minds of simple minded lilberals everywhere who think the south is were racism happens and that liberals are not racist.

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He doesn't know all the facts , but he draws a conclusion regardless and publicly chastized the police dept without all the facts. This seems to be a pattern with this admin and congress. They pass bills without reading them and they pass judgment without knowing the facts.
I though this thread of about Iraq for a second.

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Obama said Gates' arrest was a reminder that the race issue "still haunts us" and that federal officials need to continue working with local law enforcement "to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias."
Is he wrong? Even within this forum we see a clear divide on many race related issues, each day a new thread blaming blacks and whites. This is a reality.
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He doesn't know all the facts , but he draws a conclusion regardless and publicly chastized the police dept without all the facts.
I too drew a conclusion. The man was already in his home, produced ID, and was still arrested.

This seems to be a pattern with this admin and congress.
Now it's Obama and a two part Congress?

They pass bills without reading them
Yeah, been going on since bills were thousands of pages long.

BTW, this happened in a flaming liberal jurisdiction and it DIDN'T happen in the south! Man this all must blow the minds of simple minded lilberals everywhere who think the south is were racism happens and that liberals are not racist.
Flaming? What the hell is that? Looks like you're the one with their hair on fire. Check the definition of liberal in the lower right.
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I though this thread of about Iraq for a second.

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Is he wrong? Even within this forum we see a clear divide on many race related issues, each day a new thread blaming blacks and whites. This is a reality.
Even he doesn't know if he is wrong or not! He doesn't know the facts!

To think that there is a nation or community anywhere on earth that does not have racial divides is naive at best. Its a byproduct of the American experiment. Racism is actually a misnomer, the vast majority of the conflict termed racism is actually cultural bias.
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I too drew a conclusion. The man was already in his home, produced ID, and was still arrested.

This seems to be a pattern with this admin and congress.
Now it's Obama and a two part Congress?

They pass bills without reading them
Yeah, been going on since bills were thousands of pages long.

BTW, this happened in a flaming liberal jurisdiction and it DIDN'T happen in the south! Man this all must blow the minds of simple minded lilberals everywhere who think the south is were racism happens and that liberals are not racist.
Flaming? What the hell is that? Looks like you're the one with their hair on fire. Check the definition of liberal in the lower right.
I appreciate the fact that you are willing to admit you rushed to judgment as well, but you are not the President of the United States, what you say or think is of far less importance to the nation as a whole.

The technical definition of "liberal" bears no resemblance to those in the United States who choose to call themselves "liberals". Ironically they are far more oppressive than those who do not want to be known as liberals.
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Even he doesn't know if he is wrong or not! He doesn't know the facts!
The issue is still very cloudy, I don't even know all the facts after reading numerous reports.

Just as you have stated your opinion, so has Obama. Simply calling it a stupid response because you are in disagreement is a very childish argument.

I think Obama telling the police they acted stupidly is also a poor choice of words.
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You are not the President of the United States, what you say or think is of far less importance to the nation as a whole.
What I say won't be heard by the nation. Brilliant.

The technical definition of "liberal" bears no resemblance to those in the United States who choose to call themselves "liberals". Ironically they are far more oppressive than those who do not want to be known as liberals.

It was your people, your Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan who began using "liberal" referring to Democrats. I am a progressive even though conservatives need to use a bastardized definition. The definition of liberal remains in its original.
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He doesn't know all the facts , but he draws a conclusion regardless and publicly chastized the police dept without all the facts. This seems to be a pattern with this admin and congress. They pass bills without reading them and they pass judgment without knowing the facts. This is no way to improve race relations Mr. Obama, inflaming situations you don't even know much about.

BTW, this happened in a flaming liberal jurisdiction and it DIDN'T happen in the south! Man this all must blow the minds of simple minded lilberals everywhere who think the south is were racism happens and that liberals are not racist.

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I heard a sound bite of him this morning on the radio. He called the cops "acting with stupidity". I dont think the President should be so heavily engaged in something like this. Let the local jurisdiction handle it Mr. Prez. No reason to run around the planet calling folks stupid. He is just going to make it ever the more difficult to gain the facts on this if he keeps that kind of (*)(*)(*)(*) up.
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I heard a sound bite of him this morning on the radio. He called the cops "acting with stupidity". I dont think the President should be so heavily engaged in something like this. Let the local jurisdiction handle it Mr. Prez. No reason to run around the planet calling folks stupid. He is just going to make it ever the more difficult to gain the facts on this if he keeps that kind of (*)(*)(*)(*) up.
In all fairness, Obama was asked about what he thought of the Henry Gates arrest. He did not bring it up on his own, rather a question was directed at him.
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The issue is still very cloudy, I don't even know all the facts after reading numerous reports.

Just as you have stated your opinion, so has Obama. Simply calling it a stupid response because you are in disagreement is a very childish argument.

I think Obama telling the police they acted stupidly is also a poor choice of words.
I believe the facts are pretty well known.

The professor initially refused a lawful order to produce indentification and instead verbally attacked the officer. While he did eventually produce his identification, in compliance with the law, he was arrested for disorderly conduct related to his verbal attack on the officer who was lawfully attempting to investigate a possible break-in. He could have been arrested for obstruction of justice as well.

President Obama was correct in making the general statement that racial profiling is statistically occuring within the United States and did not limit his comment to the South because it happens in virtually all parts of the country.

I believe it was correct that the professor was arrested. He should have realized that the officer was actually their to protect his property and he should have immediately complied with the officers lawful request to produce identification. His verbal attack on the officer was unwarranted and did constitute disorderly conduct as well as obstruction of justice. The professor, and not the officer, created the situation warranting the arrest.

It was the prosecutor's office which made the call to drop the charges and it is their responsibility to make that determination. It is the officers job to arrest the individual and present the evidence to the prosecutor office.

Everyone should comply with the lawful requests of a police officer who is investigating a possible criminal act. If you refuse then you should be arrested. It's that simple.

I believe that Obama is wrong is not addressing this matter more objectively but that does not support the OP expressed.
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