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Thread: Where did the wives of Cain and Abel come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Luna View Post
    If Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, how did Cain and Abel meet wives? Did they have incestuous relations with their sisters?
    Yes they did. Or maybe with their mom, I'm not sure which.
    Last edited by SpaceCricket79; Nov 26 2012 at 05:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCricket79 View Post
    Yes they did. Or maybe with their mom, I'm not sure which.
    Incest...plus rape, torture, murder, stonings, biggottry, misogyny, fear, magic, talking donkeys, unicorns, talking dead guys, Jesus accepting slavery, teaching hatred of other tribes etc.....my, what a fine moral upstanding belief system y'all got there. Where can I sign up! Nah, I'll stick with my modern Secular Humanism....much more moral.
    -Modern Secular Humanism (MSH) simply makes more sense than any other belief system out there.
    -Christians, ask yourself: is it more moral to throw Jews into ovens, or into a “lake of fire”?
    -It's bad enough having an imaginary friend (insane asylum inmates also have these)....but approving of that imaginary friend ordering the slaughtering of BABIES (1 Samuel 15:3) is a sign of the truly insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomSeeker View Post
    Incest...plus rape, torture, murder, stonings, biggottry, misogyny, fear, magic, talking donkeys, unicorns, talking dead guys, Jesus accepting slavery, teaching hatred of other tribes etc.....my, what a fine moral upstanding belief system y'all got there. Where can I sign up! Nah, I'll stick with my modern Secular Humanism....much more moral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCricket79 View Post
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    I doubt he read Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris, etc. He's not a modern Secular Humanist, certainly not the kind who believe in freedom and democracy like Dawkins do. But unlike religionists, modern Secular Humanists change and improve their texts, unlike the intellectually cowardly people of religion who are so incredibly morally bankrupt that they, even if they had a gay child, couldn't bring themselves to create a version of their bible that simply did not contain the passages that say to kill gays (like their children). Pathetic cowards.
    If MY belief system approves of rape like your bible does, I'm smart enough to remove it, are you?
    -Modern Secular Humanism (MSH) simply makes more sense than any other belief system out there.
    -Christians, ask yourself: is it more moral to throw Jews into ovens, or into a “lake of fire”?
    -It's bad enough having an imaginary friend (insane asylum inmates also have these)....but approving of that imaginary friend ordering the slaughtering of BABIES (1 Samuel 15:3) is a sign of the truly insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomSeeker View Post
    Wisdom is making wise, sound, good judgments (something an intelligent person on drugs would not make, as an example), while intelligence is probably more just knowledge, but not necessarily wise use of that knowledge.
    I'm certainly no expert on the English language, so your feedback would be welcomed. I like to learn.
    Using just the first definition(s):

    "in·tel·li·gence (n-tl-jns)
    n.
    1.
    a. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
    b. The faculty of thought and reason.
    c. Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind."

    and:

    "wis·dom (wzdm)
    n.
    1. The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight."

    Notice that there is no absolutism involved in the definitions such as you attempted by specifying the field of science as the only criteria of importance. Notice also that the definition of 'wisdom' differs in that it is/does specifically mention issues such as "what is true, right, or lasting" while 'intelligence' does not place importance on such issues. While 'intelligence' provides the capacity to acquire knowledge, it also provides the mandate of applying such knowledge; and 'intelligence' is further recognized as 'The faculty of thought and reason.' and gives reference to "Superior powers of mind". Yet none of those touch on 'true', 'right', or 'lasting'. In other words, intelligence is something that is ever changing and never approaches 'true', 'right' or 'lasting'. While 'wisdom' on the other hand focuses only on those things that are 'true', 'right' or 'lasting'. So if you want to cling on to that mantle of 'intelligence' (not focused on 'true', 'right', or 'lasting'), then by all means do so. At your own peril.
    "THOUGHT. The operation of the mind. No one can be punished for his mere thoughts however wicked they may be. Human laws cannot reach them, first, because they are unknown; and, secondly, unless made manifest by some action, they are not injurious to any one; but when they manifest themselves, then the act, which is the consequence, may be punished. Dig. 50 16, 225."

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    Hello freedomseeker..... where are you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Incorporeal View Post
    Using just the first definition(s):

    "in·tel·li·gence (n-tl-jns)
    n.
    1.
    a. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
    b. The faculty of thought and reason.
    c. Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind."

    and:

    "wis·dom (wzdm)
    n.
    1. The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight."

    Notice that there is no absolutism involved in the definitions such as you attempted by specifying the field of science as the only criteria of importance. Notice also that the definition of 'wisdom' differs in that it is/does specifically mention issues such as "what is true, right, or lasting" while 'intelligence' does not place importance on such issues. While 'intelligence' provides the capacity to acquire knowledge, it also provides the mandate of applying such knowledge; and 'intelligence' is further recognized as 'The faculty of thought and reason.' and gives reference to "Superior powers of mind". Yet none of those touch on 'true', 'right', or 'lasting'. In other words, intelligence is something that is ever changing and never approaches 'true', 'right' or 'lasting'. While 'wisdom' on the other hand focuses only on those things that are 'true', 'right' or 'lasting'. So if you want to cling on to that mantle of 'intelligence' (not focused on 'true', 'right', or 'lasting'), then by all means do so. At your own peril.
    "THOUGHT. The operation of the mind. No one can be punished for his mere thoughts however wicked they may be. Human laws cannot reach them, first, because they are unknown; and, secondly, unless made manifest by some action, they are not injurious to any one; but when they manifest themselves, then the act, which is the consequence, may be punished. Dig. 50 16, 225."

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    There is NO evidence at all..

    There was no exodus.. and why cross the Red Sea to get to Sinai or Canaan when everyone walked back and forth to the Nile Delta?
    Yeah but the Bible doesn't say the Red Sea....perhaps you should read it.

    2 million people and 15 million sheep goats and donkeys in Sina??
    Not sure what this means.

    Sinai has no pasture and no water.. Besides, Sinia was occupied by Egyptian garrisons.
    You were there?

    Why did they eat manna when they could have eaten Lamb?
    Good question, perhaps those lambs that you spoke of earlier didn't exist.

    There was NO world wide flood... Zero geologic evidence af any world wide flood sediment layer.
    Yeah seeking out facts of myths is not a very serious endeavor.

    There is zero evidence of David or Soloman either.
    http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...d-bible-story/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctrl View Post
    The bible goes back 6000 years if you TRY to assume that genesis is a complete record. It is clear that this is not a complete record by the contrasting records which are different lengths. It serves to reason that these are the lines of importance, or every single human at that time would have been mapped. The only people who believe the earth is 6000 years old according to the bible are people who were told so and those who want an easy argument to defeat.
    Indeed, Genesis is not a record by any stretch, as far as its depiction of human origins is concerned. The bible is full of myths, yet people want to insist that it all happened as recorded. They would believe Gilgamesh was history if it had been canonised in their bibles.

    Maybe someone should try publishing the Silmarillion with a HOLY BIBLE cover on it once..
    Last edited by Durandal; Mar 23 2013 at 06:57 PM.
    Inter arma enim silent leges -- In times of war, the laws fall silent

    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. --Edmund Burke

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    The scriptures, in the first 2 chapters of genesis, teach us that YAH created all things, then made man and woman.
    THEN- YAH created a garden, and put a man in his garden to tend to it. Man and woman was already created before the garden and gardener was made.
    I believe that the men and women created on the earth before the garden,were black folks. And I believe the gardener was a white man, to tend the garden.
    Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel, and Cain killed Abel. So YAH out a mark -stain- on cain and expelled him from the garden. Cain was marked - made black with melanin, and being that he never was outside the garden to see other blacks, he said "people who see him will want to kill him because he looked like an beast".
    So Cain, a former white guy, was now black and had straight hair of a white man. [India?] So Cain went east out of the garden[India], and met a wife who was also black. Being that male genes are dominant, Cain, with his white genes and straight hair, had sex with black woman with nappy hair, and the child was born lighter than black and with straight hair. [India].
    So, that would make black people the original people of the world, and white people the farmers, and people from India the children of Cain.
    Scriptures don't indicate how much time passed btween YAH making original men and woman, and YAH making the garden and the gardener Adam. Genesis 2:7 ends with YAH making man, then 2:8 starts with THEN YAH made a garden.........so, how much time passed between those 2 verses in unknown.
    Last edited by badlandsleprechaun; Mar 23 2013 at 09:55 PM.

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    That's a theory for sure.

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