Thread: Where did the wives of Cain and Abel come from?

Originally Posted by Margot

Actually they are.. you have to understand that the finest minds at the University or Tel Aviv have been looking for some evidence of Exodus for 100 years.

There is NONE... and they are brave to tell the truth.

I am not talking about other Creation myths.. Every culture has them and always had them..

In Dilmun I am speaking of a concrete archeological record.

The difference is that only fundies take the Bible literally and only since the Protestant Reformation.

I don't see the disconnect between science and mythology as serving Christianity at all.

Other creation myths are no more authentic history than Genesis..

So if we have no evidence of it, it did not happen.

You claim none are more authentic than another, yet you point to their existence to demonstrate that one was clearly "stolen". You dismiss your own evidence. You have done nothing to support an anti-biblical account. You say that the bible is accurate where it is accurate because it was "common" to fold fact into fiction. You then dismiss the entire thing as fiction, while accepting that there are indeed facts therein. You dismiss the entire thing as fiction because "it doesn't make sense to you" and "you have seen things like it in the past".

This is not a valid argument.

This is why I refused the Obama argument with you before. You are contradictory and unwilling to yield to facts. It would have really annoyed me to deal with that with the body of evidence I have supporting the theory... which, btw, I am willing to concede is incorrect. Until such time as you are willing to accept being wrong, arguing with you is futile.

Originally Posted by Ctrl

So if we have no evidence of it, it did not happen.

You claim none are more authentic than another, yet you point to their existence to demonstrate that one was clearly "stolen". You dismiss your own evidence. You have done nothing to support an anti-biblical account. You say that the bible is accurate where it is accurate because it was "common" to fold fact into fiction. You then dismiss the entire thing as fiction, while accepting that there are indeed facts therein. You dismiss the entire thing as fiction because "it doesn't make sense to you" and "you have seen things like it in the past".

This is not a valid argument.

This is why I refused the Obama argument with you before. You are contradictory and unwilling to yield to facts. It would have really annoyed me to deal with that with the body of evidence I have supporting the theory... which, btw, I am willing to concede is incorrect. Until such time as you are willing to accept being wrong, arguing with you is futile.

Of course the myths were stolen.. They are thousands of years older than even the earliest form of Judaism and didn't come about until the Jews were exiled to Babylon and exposed to the rich cultural heritage of Babylon..

All the pagan bedouin tribes carried a box around on a litter containing their god.

Cain killed Abel before he married...

... Cain's wife was from Nod, the land east of Eden...

... Uncle Ferd's ex- came from the neighborhood next to the local landfill.

Originally Posted by Margot

Of course the myths were stolen.. They are thousands of years older than even the earliest form of Judaism and didn't come about until the Jews were exiled to Babylon and exposed to the rich cultural heritage of Babylon..

All the pagan bedouin tribes carried a box around on a litter containing their god.

"Of course" is not an argument. You are beginning at the conclusion, rather than the beginning.

IF the bible were the most accurate account of creation, it is not unlikely that OTHER VERSIONS would exist prior to it.

Again... all you are doing is corroborating the story, not disproving it.

Originally Posted by Ctrl

"Of course" is not an argument. You are beginning at the conclusion, rather than the beginning.

IF the bible were the most accurate account of creation, it is not unlikely that OTHER VERSIONS would exist prior to it.

Again... all you are doing is corroborating the story, not disproving it.

The genesis was just the Jewish creation myth.. and its as silly as the rest of them.

Gentiles were NOT considered from the Adamic line.. They contradict themselves forgetting that Abraham had seven other sons by Keturah and Hagar.

Originally Posted by Margot

The genesis was just the Jewish creation myth.. and its as silly as the rest of them.

Gentiles were NOT considered from the Adamic line.. They contradict themselves forgetting that Abraham had seven other sons by Keturah and Hagar.

For whom do you claim to be speaking?

Originally Posted by Ctrl

For whom do you claim to be speaking?

Jewish and Christian scholars.

Its their story.. its what give them an identity and an entitlement.

Originally Posted by Margot

Jewish and Christian scholars.

Its their story.. its what give them an identity and an entitlement.

I would like a link please.

Originally Posted by Ctrl

I would like a link please.

You mean my study of 40 years of history of the ME, archeology, the Bible and Jewish myths.

I suspected as much. This should not be considered a dismissal of yourself as an expert, I have no such intent.


You consider yourself a Jewish/Christian scholar... so when I ask you who's views you claim to be representing, you mean YOURS.

You say it is "their story", yet dismiss "their" view of creation and substitute your own. So really... what we are discussing here is YOUR interpretation, as an uncontested expert on the subject.

Again, not dismissing. I just want to be clear.