Are Jews "Chosen" ? Chosen by who ?

**Marlowe** · Oct 25 2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

I have not been following this thread, but found the title interesting. Also having not read the entire thread, I am unaware as to whether or not the following questions have been asked:
1: Who are the "Jews"?
2: How is a "Jew" defined?
3: What are the physical characteristics of a "Jew"?
4: What country is the original nation of the "Jews"?
5: How can a "Jew" be identified as one who is or is not a "Jew"?

Can someone please answer those questions?

I've been trying to find a rational /comprehensible reply from various " Jews " for years , without success. I recomend you read this :

The Invention of the Jewish People
= by shlomo sand
[ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844674223"]The Invention of the Jewish People: Amazon.co.uk: Shlomo Sand: Books[/ame]

or

The Wandering WHO ? Gilad Atzmon
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Wandering-Who-Gilad-Atzmon/dp/1846948754"]Amazon.com: The Wandering Who (9781846948756): Gilad Atzmon: Books[/ame]

OR just read as many book reviews on the subject as you can but learn how to avoid .recognise Zionist propaganga .

Jews AgainstZionists also a good source of information exposing diabolical Zionists lies.

cheers.

**Incorporeal** · Oct 25 2011, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Marlowe

I've been trying to find a rational /comprehensible reply from various " Jews " for years , without success. I recomend you read this :

The Invention of the Jewish People
= by shlomo sand
The Invention of the Jewish People: Amazon.co.uk: Shlomo Sand: Books

or

The Wandering WHO ? Gilad Atzmon
Amazon.com: The Wandering Who (9781846948756): Gilad Atzmon: Books

OR just read as many book reviews on the subject as you can but learn how to avoid .recognise Zionist propaganga .

Jews AgainstZionists also a good source of information exposing diabolical Zionists lies.

cheers.

I can understand your plight in seeking out information that would benefit your understanding of WHO the "Jew" really is, at the same time, if you are recommending the purchase of a book that you seemingly have already read, why not just give us your views based on your findings as opposed to making a suggestion toward a likely unnecessary purchase. I say 'likely unnecessary purchase' because it also seems that you still have not found the answer even after you presumably having read those two books.

**Oddquine** · Oct 25 2011, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

I can understand your plight in seeking out information that would benefit your understanding of WHO the "Jew" really is, at the same time, if you are recommending the purchase of a book that you seemingly have already read, why not just give us your views based on your findings as opposed to making a suggestion toward a likely unnecessary purchase. I say 'likely unnecessary purchase' because it also seems that you still have not found the answer even after you presumably having read those two books.

That would be because if you are not religious.....there is no such thing as a rational reasonable answer to anything in religion.....and Judaism is after all a religion...dreamed up by a warring tribe originally to try and persuade the waverers who still went for multiple gods to get with the programme.

By the time they produced the book of what became the Old Testament....they had the masses in their area buying into their fantasies....so they wrote the fantasies down..and used that to produce the Torah and embellished it with the Talmud..and then they had the control they wanted.......much as Constantine did re Christianity and Mohammed did re Islam.

Without the arrogance of those who invented Judaism, wrote the Old Testament and proclaimed themselves "the Chosen People", the World would be a much better place now, imo..because there would be no Abrahamic religions.

**Incorporeal** · Oct 25 2011, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Oddquine

That would be because if you are not religious.....there is no such thing as a rational reasonable answer to anything in religion.....and Judaism is after all a religion...dreamed up by a warring tribe originally to try and persuade the waverers who still went for multiple gods to get with the programme.

By the time they produced the book of what became the Old Testament....they had the masses in their area buying into their fantasies....so they wrote the fantasies down..and used that to produce the Torah and embellished it with the Talmud..and then they had the control they wanted.......much as Constantine did re Christianity and Mohammed did re Islam.

Without the arrogance of those who invented Judaism, wrote the Old Testament and proclaimed themselves "the Chosen People", the World would be a much better place now, imo..because there would be no Abrahamic religions.

So you were actually there and witnessed what was taking place and therefore have firsthand KNOWledge of the events? Amazing. That would make you older than Methuselah.

So, there were other groups of people around at that time. Did you also witness their birth as a national group of people?

**Oddquine** · Oct 25 2011, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

So you were actually there and witnessed what was taking place and therefore have firsthand KNOWledge of the events? Amazing. That would make you older than Methuselah.

So, there were other groups of people around at that time. Did you also witness their birth as a national group of people?

Don't be sarcastic.....if you can't bother your backside to do some work for yourself....or even bother to read the thread on which you are writing.....why would you expect anyone to spoon feed you?

**Incorporeal** · Oct 25 2011, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Oddquine

Don't be sarcastic.....if you can't bother your backside to do some work for yourself....or even bother to read the thread on which you are writing.....why would you expect anyone to spoon feed you?

Asking questions is now construed as being sarcastic. Interesting. So now it is impermissible for someone to seek clarification on alleged facts that are being presented. We are deemed obligated to accept whatever you say without question. I see. LOL

**Oddquine** · Oct 25 2011, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

Asking questions is now construed as being sarcastic. Interesting. So now it is impermissible for someone to seek clarification on alleged facts that are being presented. We are deemed obligated to accept whatever you say without question. I see. LOL

I didn't present facts...I presented my opinion as an atheist of the logical reasons for Judaism and the Bible.

Only the most seriously mentally challenged....or a troll...would assume I was talking about events of which I had personal knowledge.

So you were being sarcastic..without a doubt.

Why do I get the impression you are just another religious nut?

**OJLeb** · Oct 25 2011, 04:33 PM

They were chosen, because they were the first official religion of God.

But they chose the golden calf over God.

Therefore, not chosen any more. Which is why God sent Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH) after Moses (PBUH).

As for Zionists and Euro-Jews (such as Ashkenazi Jews) they have no link to Palestine or "Israel". The Jews living in Palestine pre-Israel however, do. The Palestinians (of all faiths) do.

It's quite sad how a Palestinian born and raised in Palestine can no longer live on his or her land, but a European Jew who's family member died in the Holocaust and who's never stepped foot in the Middle East let alone Palestine or "Israel" is welcomed to "Israel", no questions asked.

The Talmud, which is what most Zionist Euro-Jews follow, preaches extreme supremist ideologies and also many anti-Christ teachings; such as Jesus (PBUH) being a b*stard child of Mary (PBUH) the wh*re....

Todays Jews aren't chosen.

Salam

**Incorporeal** · Oct 25 2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Oddquine

I didn't present facts...I presented my opinion as an atheist of the logical reasons for Judaism and the Bible.

Only the most seriously mentally challenged....or a troll...would assume I was talking about events of which I had personal knowledge.

So you were being sarcastic..without a doubt.

Why do I get the impression you are just another religious nut?

The only statement you made that was emphatically an 'opinion' was the last statement: ( in relevant part) "the World would be a much better place now, imo..because there would be no Abrahamic religions."