Thread: Existence of a god or gos

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

In on paper is not an observation, or indicant, of the existence of an atom no more than writing on unicorns is evidence for unicorns.

Precisely! I'm glad we agree.

Now you are changing the operands of the OP. In the OP, you indicated that there are no indications of the existence of god and required the responders who disagreed with your claim to provide evidence of to support their opposition. Now you are declaring that there is no evidence of god. It seems that you are requiring the responders that disagree with you to accomplish that which you assert does not exist. Are you now attempting to force someone to prove a negative? Sounds like your OP then, with your current modification, is nothing more than a trap to lure someone into an dispute for the sole purpose of disputing. Was there a real dynamic point to your OP? Or is there a real dynamic point to your now modified OP?

I'm using indication as a synonym of observation. Now, will you discuss the issue at hand?

Please provide evidence for the existence of a god or gods, or stop cluttering my thread with disingenuous semantic debate.

Originally Posted by .daniel

Precisely! I'm glad we agree.

So am I. Being that we agree, then you have just denounced a major portion of science. Most sciences revolve around the atom and its supposed structure and suggested properties. By denouncing the observation of the atom, you have just taken a very bold step.

Originally Posted by .daniel

I'm using indication as a synonym of observation. Now, will you discuss the issue at hand?

Strangely, "indication" is not a listed synonym of "observation": See below.

"observation
noun
1. watching, study, survey, review, notice, investigation, monitoring, attention, consideration, examination, inspection, scrutiny, surveillance, contemplation, cognition, perusal careful observation of the movement of the planets
2. comment, finding, thought, note, statement, opinion, remark, explanation, reflection, exposition, utterance, pronouncement, annotation, elucidation, obiter dictum This book contains observations about the nature of addiction.
3. remark, thought, comment, statement, opinion, reflection, assertion, utterance, animadversion Is that a criticism or just an observation?"

More ironically is the fact that 'observation' is not a listed synonym of 'indication': see below.

"indication
noun sign, mark, evidence, warning, note, signal, suggestion, symptom, hint, clue, manifestation, omen, inkling, portent, intimation, forewarning "

Originally Posted by .daniel

Please provide evidence for the existence of a god or gods, or stop cluttering my thread with disingenuous semantic debate.

Please use the English language as it was designed to be used. Not allowing for the privately issued supplements to the standardized listings of definitions and proper synonyms.

When you learn the English language and proper use of words, then maybe you can hold an intelligent conversation.

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

So am I. Being that we agree, then you have just denounced a major portion of science. Most sciences revolve around the atom and its supposed structure and suggested properties. By denouncing the observation of the atom, you have just taken a very bold step.

Not at all. The fact that atoms are written about are not the reason that they are believed to exist.

Strangely, "indication" is not a listed synonym of "observation": See below.

"observation
noun
1. watching, study, survey, review, notice, investigation, monitoring, attention, consideration, examination, inspection, scrutiny, surveillance, contemplation, cognition, perusal careful observation of the movement of the planets
2. comment, finding, thought, note, statement, opinion, remark, explanation, reflection, exposition, utterance, pronouncement, annotation, elucidation, obiter dictum This book contains observations about the nature of addiction.
3. remark, thought, comment, statement, opinion, reflection, assertion, utterance, animadversion Is that a criticism or just an observation?"

More ironically is the fact that 'observation' is not a listed synonym of 'indication': see below.

"indication
noun sign, mark, evidence, warning, note, signal, suggestion, symptom, hint, clue, manifestation, omen, inkling, portent, intimation, forewarning "









Please use the English language as it was designed to be used. Not allowing for the privately issued supplements to the standardized listings of definitions and proper synonyms.

When you learn the English language and proper use of words, then maybe you can hold an intelligent conversation.

Then I apologize for my misuse of the word.

Originally Posted by .daniel

Not at all. The fact that atoms are written about are not the reason that they are believed to exist.




Then I apologize for my misuse of the word.

No apology is necessary. Too often, people make statements which they are not ultimately aware of the contents of what they have stated.

Please explain what you believe to be the reason that atoms are believed to exist.

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

No apology is necessary. Too often, people make statements which they are not ultimately aware of the contents of what they have stated.

Please explain what you believe to be the reason that atoms are believed to exist.

Agreed. And then cognitive bias prevents you from seeing your error when pointed out.

The number of experiments executed always confirm atomic theory.

Originally Posted by .daniel

Agreed. And then cognitive bias prevents you from seeing your error when pointed out.

Your comment above is indicative of a cognitive bias of your own. As the following article points out, no-one is without a cognitive bias. So what really is your point? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Originally Posted by .daniel

The number of experiments executed always confirm atomic theory.

The number of experiments that are usually delivered to the public are delivered in what form????? of course... through either printed material (paper and ink) or through electronic media (typographical devices). My goodness, right back where we started from.

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

Your comment above is indicative of a cognitive bias of your own. As the following article points out, no-one is without a cognitive bias. So what really is your point? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

I was referring in general, but also to myself; namely, that after making previous mistake I was unable to understand the mistake due to cognitive bias.

The number of experiments that are usually delivered to the public are delivered in what form????? of course... through either printed material (paper and ink) or through electronic media (typographical devices). My goodness, right back where we started from.

Yes, but ink and paper is not what proves the atom. It's a means of communicating the ideas and results, but has no inherent value of its own.

Originally Posted by .daniel

I was referring in general, but also to myself; namely, that after making previous mistake I was unable to understand the mistake due to cognitive bias.





Yes, but ink and paper is not what proves the atom. It's a means of communicating the ideas and results, but has no inherent value of its own.

The atom has not been proven. Science is incapable of proving anything. That inability of science to prove anything, is a scientific fact.

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

The atom has not been proven. Science is incapable of proving anything. That inability of science to prove anything, is a scientific fact.

This is a contradiction. It may be more accurate to say that the inability of science to prove anything is a philosophical fact, or a logical truth. But claiming that the scientific method debunks the scientific method is wrong.

Science builds models that can be tested and improved upon. If modern atomic theory is incorrect, then the truth is not far off from it because every test we put it through confirms it.

Some religionists seem to be unable to conceive the difference between the absolute truth they seek in a 'revealed' book, and the knowledge the method of science continues to unravel for mankind.