Thread: There is no hope for Islam.

Originally Posted by OJLeb

I confused that verse with a different one.

Did you read the link I posted, because it explains it.

سلام

I missed the link, but now I have read it. Ok makes sense in a way but the text is not very clear at all. But if that is the way it is tought to the believers of Islam then I see no problem with it. (of course my oppinion is SOOOO important to the believers of your faith)

Taqiyya: Muslims can lie in order to protect Islam and its reputation from harm. Deception is allowed in the waging of jihad "holy war" with nonbelievers.

Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2010...f-taqiyya.html

Muslims spread out and procreate, and proselytize...
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2008...reate-and.html

Originally Posted by Onward James

Taqiyya: Muslims can lie in order to protect Islam and its reputation from harm. Deception is allowed in the waging of jihad "holy war" with nonbelievers.

Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2010...f-taqiyya.html

Muslims spread out and procreate, and proselytize...
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2008...reate-and.html

Just like in Judaism..............

Originally Posted by Margot

Just like in Judaism..............

Judaism doesn't proselytize...

Your anti-semitism is showing again... That and the usual liberty you take with the truth...

Originally Posted by Nosferax

Judaism doesn't proselytize...

Your anti-semitism is showing again... That and the usual liberty you take with the truth...

We weren't talking about proselytizing.

Originally Posted by Onward James

Many times, I have suggested reform, modernity for Islam and the Muslims. But it seems it might not be possible. The Muslim nations must be conquered with many tactics not just force, which will be necessary for Iran. Revolution, of course, hence Arab Spring. But there are the Islamists. Please. There never has been Islamists, only Muslims who believe in Islam or those who would rather enjoy the good things in life and make like they believe in parts.

There are many lapse Christians and Jews, who are also quasi-religious on the high holidays. Some donate to be recognized as still part of the community.

Before I started my weblog I belonged to a forum where the topics were mainly about the Middle East. A converted Dutchman tried to educate me about Islam and how wonderful it was in Morocco, with a benign King. He invited me to see for myself. I passed, but I asked him about the beauty and intelligence. Everything he came up with wasn't accomplished by Muslims. Even the recent infrastructures. The ideology prefers to have second class citizens to do the work, inlcuding the thinking while the believers prayed five times a day.

However, the majority have difficulty being that devout when they have tasted the offerings of the West and they see how Israel has turned sand into beauty and intelligence. The ignorant Muslims wish to destroy Israel so the Israelis could be their equal with little or nothing. But the (*)(*)(*)(*) Jews are too smart and work too hard, they must be little satans. That's it, think the clerics because it says so in the Koran.

Something was, still is, wrong.

The Dutchman gave up on me and I think he might have gone back to his previous religion or perhaps become an atheist.

Islam is a problem. Even wise Muslims in the Muslim nations know that.

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of founder of Hamas, converted to Christianity and said reform is impossible.

“These words I am giving you with lots of pain,” he says. “Because this is the painful truth. Most of the fundamental issues that we face as Arab nations are connected to one thing, that is the absolute control of religion over people’s lives.”

“I take a stand against Islam,” he adds. “There is no way, trust me, to moderate Islam, to neutralize it, to make it fit into this new world that we live in. Unfortunately, Islam has a whole system that does not believe in separation between state and church; that does not believe in coexistence with anybody who does not believe in the theology of Islam. In fact, it does not have any harmony within the religion itself.”....

....“I came to the conclusion that there is no hope to reform Islam,” Mr. Yousef says.

“This is why, when we go to Muslim countries, we see all this ignorance and see all this persecution and torture, and beating women, and killing people and terrorism. The entire world situation today is because there is no way to reform that religion.

“I know that I look really bad and when I make a statement against Islam I am considered politically incorrect and trying to inflame the situation. But I tell you, I know the needs of my people. The most important thing that our people need is freedom from the grip of religion.”

The son of Hamas’ founder says there is no hope to reform Islam
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...-reform-islam/

Response: Islam is a religion of peace and justice, so islam is not the problem. It is rather certain muslims, cultures, and actions of the West that's the problem.

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of founder of Hamas, converted to Christianity and said reform is impossible.

some hamas guy who turned christian is giving advice to muslims,
calling them "my people".
it's like a beginning of a very funny joke.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bid%E2%80%98ah

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: Islam is a religion of peace and justice, so islam is not the problem. It is rather certain muslims, cultures, and actions of the West that's the problem.

FALSE, and the truth is exactly the reverse of what you just said. The problem is the Koran and it's doctrine of war and INjustice.

Originally Posted by Margot

We weren't talking about proselytizing.

Onward James posted:

Originally Posted by Onward James
Taqiyya: Muslims can lie in order to protect Islam and its reputation from harm. Deception is allowed in the waging of jihad "holy war" with nonbelievers.

Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2010...f-taqiyya.html

Muslims spread out and procreate, and proselytize...
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2008...reate-and.html

You posted:

Just like in Judaism..............

You posted some anti-semite drivel without reading again Mr. Saudi Goebbel...

So In the Midde East the Islamists rule most of the Muslim nations, and what will they do? Return to the Golden years of the Caliphate? Such an archaic ideology. Yet, many Muslims and apologists and appeasers might think Ilsma is winning.

"Second Period of Islamic Power" - Patrick Buchanan
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48252