Islam Thread

[Abu Sina]

Abu

Have you read and compared the scriptures of the Torah, Tanakh & Bible to the Qur'an? You'll find there are over 2,000 errors in the Qur'an. Not all Mohammed's errors were abrogated. There is also the fact that no matter how hard Muslim scholars try, history cannot be rewritten.

So as much as some religious folks would like to feel all warm and fuzzy about Islam, the fact of the matter is Mohammed is a false prophet.

Shalom.

2000 errors compared to what?

Your not comparing to the Torah and injeel etc are you?

[Abu Sina]

OjLeb

Have you ever wondered about that strange story about the baptism of Jesus the prophet PBUH ?

Are we the only ones wondering why would GOD need to be baptised with water in a river? as Christians see Jesus PBUH as God.

Some of those corrupted stories are just too crazy for words.


Thank God we have the Quran

[Abu Sina]

Also IF Jesus PBUH was God then why when he was baptised did John say “I baptise you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” Matthew 28:19

IF we was already God and part of that trinity they talk of?

If baptising in those days (remember the church was catholic at that time ( or was it? ) was to wash away the sins of Adam and Eve as they say.

Are we then to believe that God also had those sins from Adam and Eve?

Really crazy things being said for sure by Christians who dont even agree on their books. So many different versions........

[OJLeb]

The Holy Month of Ramadan is a time when billions of your fellow human beings fast for 30 days. But, not everybody understands why exactly we fast. Well, there are a few reasons why we fast during this blessed month...

* The Quran says,
[2:183] O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -

As we know, Moses and Jesus (Peace and Blessings be Upon Both of Them) fasted. Moses fasted while he was receiving the Ten Commandments from Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala.And as we also know, Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) fasted as well. The Surah continues...

[2:184] [Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] - then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] - a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.

And...

[2:185] The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.

* While a person is fasting, they are made less vulnerable to commit sins, for fear of breaking the fast.

* One of the major aspects of Islam is charity, or Zakat. Fasting is a way for us to connect with the poor and less fortunate. To sympathize with them, and feel compassion towards the less fortunate around us. At the end of Ramadan, during Eid al-fitr, we pay Zakat al-fitr.

* While fasting, one becomes more grateful for what Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has given us in this life, while also remembering who we should be grateful towards.

* Some Hadith about fasting, (more here),

Sahih Bukhari :: Book# 31 :: Hadith# 118

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Fasting is a shield (or a screen or a shelter). So, the person observing fasting should avoid sexual relation with his wife and should not behave foolishly and impudently, and if somebody fights with him or abuses him, he should tell him twice, ‘I am fasting.” The Prophet added, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, the smell coming out from the mouth of a fasting person is better in the sight of Allah than the smell of musk. (Allah says about the fasting person), ‘He has left his food, drink and desires for My sake. The fast is for Me. So I will reward (the fasting person) for it and the reward of good deeds is multiplied ten times.”

Sahih Bukhari :: Book# 31 :: Hadith# 123

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “When the month of Ramadan starts, the gates of the heaven are opened and the gates of Hell are closed and the devils are chained.”

[OJLeb]

ar-Rahman

The Most Compassionate

[JoanofArc]

2000 errors compared to what?

Your not comparing to the Torah and injeel etc are you?

The Qur'an has over 2,000 errors when compared to the Torah, Tanakh, & Bible, this is AFTER most errors were already abrogated by Muslim scholars.

[JoanofArc]

Also IF Jesus PBUH was God then why when he was baptised did John say “I baptise you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” Matthew 28:19

IF we was already God and part of that trinity they talk of?

If baptising in those days (remember the church was catholic at that time ( or was it? ) was to wash away the sins of Adam and Eve as they say.

Are we then to believe that God also had those sins from Adam and Eve?

Really crazy things being said for sure by Christians who dont even agree on their books. So many different versions........

Quite simply, Jesus was baptized so that He could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood. In other words, He became the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.

מלכּ-צדק Melchizedek “King of Righteousness”

http://www.mainemediaresources.com/mpl_melchizedek.htm

Hebrews 5: 5-10 (NJB)

5 And so it was not Christ who gave himself the glory of becoming high priest, but the one who said to him: You are my Son, today I have fathered you, 6 and in another text: You are a priest for ever, of the order of Melchizedek. 7 During his life on earth, he offered up prayer and entreaty, with loud cries and with tears, to the one who had the power to save him from death, and, winning a hearing by his reverence, 8 he learnt obedience, Son though he was, through his sufferings; 9 when he had been perfected, he became for all who obey him the source of eternal salvation 10 and was acclaimed by God with the title of high priest of the order of Melchizedek.


Matthew 3: 1-17 (NJB)

1 In due course John the Baptist appeared; he proclaimed this message in the desert of Judaea, 2 'Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is close at hand.' 3 This was the man spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said: A voice of one that cries in the desert, 'Prepare a way for the Lord, make his paths straight.' 4 This man John wore a garment made of camel-hair with a leather loin-cloth round his waist, and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem and all Judaea and the whole Jordan district made their way to him, 6 and as they were baptised by him in the river Jordan they confessed their sins. 7 But when he saw a number of Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism he said to them, 'Brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming retribution? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance, 9 and do not presume to tell yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father," because, I tell you, God can raise children for Abraham from these stones. 10 Even now the axe is being laid to the root of the trees, so that any tree failing to produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown on the fire. 11 I baptise you in water for repentance, but the one who comes after me is more powerful than I, and I am not fit to carry his sandals; he will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing-fan is in his hand; he will clear his threshing-floor and gather his wheat into his barn; but the chaff he will burn in a fire that will never go out.'

13 Then Jesus appeared: he came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptised by John. 14 John tried to dissuade him, with the words, 'It is I who need baptism from you, and yet you come to me!' 15 But Jesus replied, 'Leave it like this for the time being; it is fitting that we should, in this way, do all that uprightness demands.' Then John gave in to him. 16 And when Jesus had been baptised he at once came up from the water, and suddenly the heavens opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming down on him. 17 And suddenly there was a voice from heaven, 'This is my Son, the Beloved; my favour rests on him.

You see, unlike Mohammed, Jesus does not exempt himself from God's requirement for His followers. Jesus is truly our living perfect example of a just God.

[leroy001]

No, it does not. Mohammed started the religion of Islam many centries after Abraham. There is no validity to the claim that Arabs are the children of Ishmael. For all we know, he died childless.

How are Muslims related to Abraham? What is the lineage that ties Muslims to Abraham? Do Muslims consider Allah as God of the Bible?

[OJLeb]

How are Muslims related to Abraham? What is the lineage that ties Muslims to Abraham? Do Muslims consider Allah as God of the Bible?

Ishmael. Ishmael. And yes.

[leroy001]

Do you consider Allah to be the same as the God of the Bible? How are Muslims related to Abraham?