Islam Thread

[OJLeb]

Here is some information on the Sahih International translation of the Holy Quran.

I would copy/paste it, but it is a pain to do on a cellphone.

[RiseAgainst]

Koran sura 56.17-18 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine

Koran sura 52.24 And there shall wait on them (the Muslim faithful males) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

Koran sura 76.19 They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders.

A Muslim poet writes:

'O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils'

[OJLeb]

OJLeb: Your comments on child marriage in Islam.

Child marriages are not Islamic. It is cultural, goes back to the Arab tribes. And is not exclusive to Arabs/Middle Easterners/Muslims.

In Islam, BOTH the man and woman must give consent before marriage, and therefore must understand what they are doing.

How many of the child marriages you read about involve the child giving consent and understanding what is going on?

Orphans being married must be old enough to be able to recieve any money or property left to them by their parents. Again, you cannot leave children with this responsibility.

[OJLeb]

Koran sura 56.17-18 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine

Koran sura 52.24 And there shall wait on them (the Muslim faithful males) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

Koran sura 76.19 They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders.

A Muslim poet writes:

'O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils'

This is not the first time I have explained how these verses have nothing to do with sexuality today....

Speaking of pedophiles.... Why don't you open and read your Great Words of Wisdom in your Qur'an... here is the link...

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

Where Mohammad himself orders the 'MOUNTING' of young boys... you have some nerve!

Original claim above, my response below.

First of, clearly you nor whoever wrote that website do not understand Abu Nuwas was a satirical poet. And he was gay. What I am trying to say is the peom has no significance to the verses of Quran. Astaghfirallah.

Now, it is basic common knowledge that Islam does not promote or condone homosexuality. Or pedophilia.

Now on to the verses. Firstly, none of the verses speak of "mounting young boys" or any sexual activities with young boys. That you and the person who wrote this interpret it that way speaks more about yourselves and not the Quran.

52:21 And those who believed and whose descendants followed them in faith - We will join with them their descendants, and We will not deprive them of anything of their deeds. Every person, for what he earned, is retained.
52:22 And We will provide them with fruit and meat from whatever they desire.
52:23 They will exchange with one another a cup [of wine] wherein [results] no ill speech or commission of sin.
52:24 There will circulate among them [servant] boys [especially] for them, as if they were pearls well- protected.
52:25 And they will approach one another, inquiring of each other.
52:26 They will say, "Indeed, we were previously among our people fearful [of displeasing Allah ].
52:27 So Allah conferred favor upon us and protected us from the punishment of the Scorching Fire.

Nothing about sexual activity here. The boys are servants.

56:14 And a few of the later peoples,
56:15 On thrones woven [with ornament],
56:16 Reclining on them, facing each other.
56:17 There will circulate among them young boys made eternal
56:18 With vessels, pitchers and a cup [of wine] from a flowing spring -
56:19 No headache will they have therefrom, nor will they be intoxicated -
56:20 And fruit of what they select

Again, no mention of sex anywhere. Further confirming the purpose of the boys is for serving.

76:16 Clear glasses [made] from silver of which they have determined the measure.
76:17 And they will be given to drink a cup [of wine] whose mixture is of ginger
76:18 [From] a fountain within Paradise named Salsabeel.
76:19 There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.
76:20 And when you look there [in Paradise], you will see pleasure and great dominion.
76:21 Upon the inhabitants will be green garments of fine silk and brocade. And they will be adorned with bracelets of silver, and their Lord will give them a purifying drink.
76:22 [And it will be said], "Indeed, this is for you a reward, and your effort has been appreciated."

Again, no mention of sex anywhere in the verse. It compares the boys to pearls. Have you ever considered having sex with pearls? If you say a picture is beautiful, does that mean you want to have sex with it?

If that is the case I assume you and the person who wrote the article are not allowed in very many meuseums? lol

I must ask, since you even used Abu Nawas' poem... Did you get this from the same website?

[Never Left]

An Imam told me when Christians evangelize to Muslims it makes them cringe when they hear what we say about Jesus Christ. An Arab Christian told me if I had done to an Imam in the middle east what I did to this Imam I would never be seen again.

That is the Islam we should know and loath, why people try create a reality about Islam that is different from the observable truth that Islamo's place daily on display is beyond me.

[RiseAgainst]

That is the Islam we should know and loath, why people try create a reality about Islam that is different from the observable truth that Islamo's place daily on display is beyond me.

We don't have to. Just speak truth to them. I invite all Christians to go into your local mosques. Challenge the Imams. Challenge the members. Evangelize to them and spread the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ. Do not fear them, love them. Do not hate them, love them. Do not get angry with them, love them. There is a reason when Christians do this in Muslim countries they are subject to death oftentimes. It is because the power of Christ reveals a man's true self, and it is an uncomfortable feeling. We love feeling that we are righteous. We love feeling that we are good. Desperately wicked you say? No man wants to see his true self in the eyes of God. This is our duty. Reveal to these people God's word and do not relent. Let the power of the Holy Spirit work inside them.

[hedayat_yafte]

We don't have to. Just speak truth to them. I invite all Christians to go into your local mosques. Challenge the Imams. Challenge the members. Evangelize to them and spread the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ. Do not fear them, love them. Do not hate them, love them. Do not get angry with them, love them. There is a reason when Christians do this in Muslim countries they are subject to death oftentimes. It is because the power of Christ reveals a man's true self, and it is an uncomfortable feeling. We love feeling that we are righteous. We love feeling that we are good. Desperately wicked you say? No man wants to see his true self in the eyes of God. This is our duty. Reveal to these people God's word and do not relent. Let the power of the Holy Spirit work inside them.

HI
I LIKE Your words... those smells peace.
All of Muslims like the holy spirit work inside them but they know the brighter and newer Holy Spirit from your word.
They have Qur'an and Hadis that show them the way to God ... Our Goal are the same my friend bring to God but we chose a way that we think it has more brighter....

Why don't any body talks about Subscriptions about Islam and Christians?

[septimine]

HI
I LIKE Your words... those smells peace.
All of Muslims like the holy spirit work inside them but they know the brighter and newer Holy Spirit from your word.
They have Qur'an and Hadis that show them the way to God ... Our Goal are the same my friend bring to God but we chose a way that we think it has more brighter....

Why don't any body talks about Subscriptions about Islam and Christians?

But you don't have the real truth. You cannot expect to go to God in any way that God hasn't given you. The Qu'ran and Hadiths are not the Word of God. They were written by men.

[RiseAgainst]

HI
I LIKE Your words... those smells peace.
All of Muslims like the holy spirit work inside them but they know the brighter and newer Holy Spirit from your word.
They have Qur'an and Hadis that show them the way to God ... Our Goal are the same my friend bring to God but we chose a way that we think it has more brighter....

Why don't any body talks about Subscriptions about Islam and Christians?

Saved people aren't the only ones who have a spirit with them.

Proof in point your post. However, I don't believe you actually understand the word holy.

[OJLeb]

*In Islam, there are 5 concepts all Muslims must follow. Ramadan (fasting) is one of them.

*The Five Pillars of Islam are:

1) Shahada: I bear witness there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.

2) Salat, the Arabic word for prayer.

3) Zakat, or charity.

4) Fasting and observing Ramadan.

5) Performing Hajj, or pilgrimage, at the Ka'aba in Mecca.


I will go into detail each of the Pillars of Islam.