Thread: Challenge "the quran"

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: Another weak strawman, none of it address the challenge to produce a chapter like the qur'an. Thus confirming the fact that the spread of islam by Muhammad was miraculous, thus confirming that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah. Thanks for the confirmation.

A refusal to play a game is not proof of anything, except maybe we are lazy or...

Try and understand this, these words, they are simple:

"...What was gained by keeping Saddam?
Nothing but a future of deadly bedlam.
The nature of terror requires fear,
Dark shadows where nothing is clear.
Terror stalks quite well despite the laws,
Which don’t stop anything without claws.
'To be, are not' as the bard would say,
let the wolves circle or scare them away,
To come back with what they have sired;
It’s with those tactics war we are mired:
Do you know the tragedy had a reason,
Justice delayed things out of season.
Why should we wait for the rutting pig,
While at the same time our own grave dig.
Read it again, 'Hamlet' is full of wisdom,
But requires knowledge of Gods Kingdom.
Claudius understood in that last prayer,
What was delayed made a greater slayer..." (09/23/2001) {it is longer that that}

It is the exact same thing as this:

"So if it is humanly impossible to use speech or literature invented by a person/s, that goes against the likes of masses, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation yet Muhammad used the qur'an to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, then what does that mean? That means that the qur'an in which Muhammad used is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans..."

There is nothing miraculous about it. Throw out a few verses, next thing you know against all odds in the War for Oil, Wrong War, Unjust War, Stupid War, and every laugh about Afghanistan did not attack us on 9/11 as 17 out of 19 were Saudis, Iraq having nothing to do with 9/11, but Saddam saying, "the best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be,” where's the Beef over WMD, miraculous, God bless the Burning Bush! Saddam is dead...

Inspiring for war and conquering is easy, inspiring for peace is harder, much harder...

There is no need to meet a challenge, no need to quote too many verses, it has been done to death:

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal

...I do not want to go to war with Iran.

We had the war of Jenkins Ear and you learned nothing.

Why insist that the Koran is not the invention of man? What is really gained by that? Isn't it good enough to just be inspired?

******

Seriously...Peace...successful warmongering does not make inspired by god.

I just want to know, in the Arabian Nights "City of Brass," is this the same time frame?:

"[27.16] And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.
[27.17] And his hosts of the jinn and the men and the birds were gathered to him, and they were formed into groups."

That war with the king of the sea would make a good movie. I figure that since the jars were sealed with lead the jinn were probably radio active. As for the birds that scene where Gandalf sends the moth to get the eagle, if it flys there it would fly for any other fictional purpose.

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: The qur'an is the proven true word of Allah. The Bible is a tampered scripture, full of discrepancy, and the work of men.

Pray tell, how/when has the Bible been tampered with?

Originally Posted by MrConservative

Pray tell, how/when has the Bible been tampered with?

you cant be serious...lol

catholics didnt tamper? mormans,christians... translated some 30 times...

a book written by a dictator! 350 years AFTER supposed "jesus" death?

not to mention the THOUSANDS of mistranslations... are you serious?...HAHAH

Originally Posted by MrConservative

Pray tell, how/when has the Bible been tampered with?

Response: How and when the bible was tampered does not disprove the fact that there are errors within it.

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: How and when the bible was tampered does not disprove the fact that there are errors within it.

by saying there are errors in it...you imply it is mostly fact.....wait ur a muslim... you believe most of the bible anyways.... both books are fantasy

Originally Posted by DivineComedy

A refusal to play a game is not proof of anything, except maybe we are lazy or...

Try and understand this, these words, they are simple:

"...What was gained by keeping Saddam?
Nothing but a future of deadly bedlam.
The nature of terror requires fear,
Dark shadows where nothing is clear.
Terror stalks quite well despite the laws,
Which don’t stop anything without claws.
'To be, are not' as the bard would say,
let the wolves circle or scare them away,
To come back with what they have sired;
It’s with those tactics war we are mired:
Do you know the tragedy had a reason,
Justice delayed things out of season.
Why should we wait for the rutting pig,
While at the same time our own grave dig.
Read it again, 'Hamlet' is full of wisdom,
But requires knowledge of Gods Kingdom.
Claudius understood in that last prayer,
What was delayed made a greater slayer..." (09/23/2001) {it is longer that that}

It is the exact same thing as this:

"So if it is humanly impossible to use speech or literature invented by a person/s, that goes against the likes of masses, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation yet Muhammad used the qur'an to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, then what does that mean? That means that the qur'an in which Muhammad used is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans..."

There is nothing miraculous about it. Throw out a few verses, next thing you know against all odds in the War for Oil, Wrong War, Unjust War, Stupid War, and every laugh about Afghanistan did not attack us on 9/11 as 17 out of 19 were Saudis, Iraq having nothing to do with 9/11, but Saddam saying, "the best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be,” where's the Beef over WMD, miraculous, God bless the Burning Bush! Saddam is dead...

Inspiring for war and conquering is easy, inspiring for peace is harder, much harder...

There is no need to meet a challenge, no need to quote too many verses, it has been done to death:

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal

...I do not want to go to war with Iran.

We had the war of Jenkins Ear and you learned nothing.

Why insist that the Koran is not the invention of man? What is really gained by that? Isn't it good enough to just be inspired?

******

Seriously...Peace...successful warmongering does not make inspired by god.

I just want to know, in the Arabian Nights "City of Brass," is this the same time frame?:

"[27.16] And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.
[27.17] And his hosts of the jinn and the men and the birds were gathered to him, and they were formed into groups."

That war with the king of the sea would make a good movie. I figure that since the jars were sealed with lead the jinn were probably radio active. As for the birds that scene where Gandalf sends the moth to get the eagle, if it flys there it would fly for any other fictional purpose.

Response: Another weak strawman, which proves nothing. Instead we see the absurd claim that the challenge is not proof of a miracle. Yet when asked of what proof, you provide hearsy. In other words,"its's true because a book says so". Once again, such absurdity is not proof. Yet the qur'an challenge itself provides a hands-on eyewtness account that the spread of islam by Muhammad was miraculous, thus debunking your weak evidence. Thanks for the assistance.

Originally Posted by obediant_consumer

by saying there are errors in it...you imply it is mostly fact.....wait ur a muslim... you believe most of the bible anyways.... both books are fantasy

Response: To the contrary, the fact that the bible has errors means that the book is not reliable, not that it is mostly fact. As for the Qur'an being a fantasy, the fact that you've dodged the attempt to answer the qur'an challenge mentioned in the OP confirms your denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah. Otherwise, you would have answered the challenge. Yet you did not, because you clearly can not.

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: To the contrary, the fact that the bible has errors means that the book is not reliable, not that it is mostly fact. As for the Qur'an being a fantasy, the fact that you've dodged the attempt to answer the qur'an challenge mentioned in the OP confirms your denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah. Otherwise, you would have answered the challenge. Yet you did not, because you clearly can not.

do you have video of Mohammad flying the horse up to heaven?

Originally Posted by obediant_consumer

do you have video of Mohammad flying the horse up to heaven?

Response: I have the qur'an challenge that can be tested and verified as proof that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah, while your ducking and dodging of the challenge, for fear of being exposed, confirms your denial to the fact.

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: I have the qur'an challenge that can be tested and verified as proof that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah, while your ducking and dodging of the challenge, for fear of being exposed, confirms your denial to the fact.

How could you possibly prove that the Qur'an was the dictated word of Allah?