How can God die?

**RiseAgainst** · Feb 23 2012, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by OJLeb

I said it could be used, not it will.

The thing is many Christians believe he was God.

Islam is different, Jesus PBUH was a Prophet and he wasn't killed, in Islamic belief.

So God is both God and human?

But it should be fully understood because its a major concept in the Christian faith, to believe something so strongly without an explanation and full understanding doesn't seem right.

The "God can do anything" thing isn't a good enough answer, in my opinion, because it doesn't explain anything. You are saying God allowed humans to humiliate him so that God would forgive their sins?

Not at all. It wasn't Jesus PBUH telling the story, it was men after him who wrote it.

It doesn't change what he professed himself.

**Iolo** · Feb 23 2012, 05:23 AM

This whole thing is about the doctrine of the trinity, which no-one understands because the Roman Emperors said you had to believe one form of it and the bishops therefore put it in the creeds, stopping all discussion. That was doubtless why so many converted to Islam when they were free to do so.

**OJLeb** · Feb 23 2012, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

Proof JESUS is GOD From the Quran(part1) - YouTube

lol... because Jesus PBUH mentioned the 99 named of Allah wlSWT, he must be God? Those names are attributes of Allah SWT...

The Quran is very clear Jesus PBUH wasn't God, nor the son of God, nor did he die on the Cross.

But this thread is about the belief he was God in Christianity, and that he/God died on the cross.

**OJLeb** · Feb 23 2012, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

It doesn't change what he professed himself.

And what was that?

**OJLeb** · Feb 23 2012, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Iolo

This whole thing is about the doctrine of the trinity, which no-one understands because the Roman Emperors said you had to believe one form of it and the bishops therefore put it in the creeds, stopping all discussion. That was doubtless why so many converted to Islam when they were free to do so.

It is very hard to understand, and seems therefore just as hard to explain.

But so easy to believe. For some.

**RiseAgainst** · Feb 23 2012, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by OJLeb

And what was that?

I posted them. There's more but chew on those for now. It's clear as day, there is no denying that according to the Holy Bible Jesus Christ is lord.

**OJLeb** · Feb 23 2012, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

I posted them. There's more but chew on those for now. It's clear as day, there is no denying that according to the Holy Bible Jesus Christ is lord.

Then according to the Bible how did God die?

**Iolo** · Feb 23 2012, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

The simple fact is if one doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is God (hallelujah) and died on the cross for us (and resurrected himself, thank you jesus) then they must believe that he is a despicable, shameful, deceitful liar. I have faith that Christ was telling the truth, and the people around him witnessed what the bible claims to be the truth. He is THE ONE.

Which words of Jesus represent the truth here, please? - and let's bear in mind that all of the words were recorded a good deal later, when people had done a lot of thinking about their (undoubted) belief in the Resurrection and what that must mean. People like certainty and - in many people's view - imaginary - personal relationships, but the history of Scripture is subject to the laws of history and human memory, surely, unless you believe in constant divine interventions and miracles to keep the text right - which position won't, I think, survive a study of the Church up to 387 AD.