Thread: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Originally Posted by Neutral

Yep, its amazing how quickly atheist go all athtarded. Really it doesn't take much.

I mean, You have to be kid glovish when discussing the illogical fallacies of agnostic atheism, the most retarded and dishonest version of atheism to ever be created ... by a man mind you ... but heh ...

When discussing someone else's faith, you can be as utterly dickish as you want to be? You can malign the center of their faith, compare him and his existence to David Koresh, and then shift on a dime when confronted about being an ass hole, to saying its the miracles?

Well, again, let me point you to some academic ... rambling ... as you put it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Fmh...ed=0CEkQ6AEwAQ

http://books.google.com/books?id=7L4...ed=0CE4Q6AEwAg

http://books.google.com/books?id=pMM...0Jesus&f=false

Let me AGAIN remind you of what you are doing, the old arguement from ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance



You have no evidence or reason to doubt the claims of Jesus's actions in the Bible - none. In fact, using actual academics, those portions that can be tested and verified are considered EXTREMELY accurate, but the eye witness accounts of miracles, which continue to happen today BTW -

http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2...-miracles.html

Well, we should reject them as PROVEABLE false, because YET ANOTHER angry, idiotic agnostic atheist derives self worth by cutting other people's faith with derision, disrespect, and anger ...

But God forbid you reject the personal faith that drives so many to behalf like total tools - just like Dawkins.

Nope, you are a victim, how dare someone disagree with YOUR faith

My word!! I point out the idiocy of your train of thought, and instead of changing course, you double down on the idiocy!!


As for what proves the supernatural elements of Jesus's story wrong, is the proof that we have that supernatural doesn't exist!! A person cannot be raised from the dead, they cannot walk on water, they cannot cure the sick with magic, etc. You believe fairy stories, and then challenge me to disprove them!!

PS. You fundamentally don't understand the piece of logic you presented which claimed you can prove a negative. It meant in very practical terms you can establish an overwhelming collection of evidence to support something, which is in his mind tantamount to proof!! Yet he also concedes IT ISN'T PROOF!! However, that article is irrelevant. Because whether you can prove a negative or not, the burden is still on the person making the positive claim. You have no evidence to believe the absurd things you believe. I require no evidence not to believe them!! I know you don't like this reality, but it is reality.

Originally Posted by Questerr

How do we know that again?

We don't know what came prior to the start of the Big Bang so we have no way of knowing that it created anything.

So, you are rejecting the Theory of the Big Bang?

Well, at this point, I have to point out that you have a burden of proof in explaining WHY the accepted academics of the Big Bang are wrong. IMO, doesn't cut it, and there is no way to debate the opinion of what happened devoid of evidence or explanation.

I think I'll let science, and indeed support it, in the explanation of the Big Bang.

Funny that the Christians are having to defend science? Interesting.

Originally Posted by Questerr

Except for, you know, that little Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy...

Well, since matter/energy cannot be created (by man) or destroyed (by man) and there is no evidence that supports an eternal matter/energy, then a being of unimaginable power put it all there.

Originally Posted by Neutral

So, you are rejecting the Theory of the Big Bang?

The Big Bang describes the expansion of the universe from the Singularity.

It DOES NOT state that all energy was created at that point.

By supposing that the Big Bang created all energy, it is you that are rejecting the theory.

Originally Posted by Neutral

Agh, that is the theory of the Big Bang.

Amazing, rational atheists reject science when it conflicts with their religion.

Well, take a look at the current banner of your atheism:

http://www.atheists.org/

I mean, you KNOW its a myth and a threat to science ... so ... Your standards atheists. But YOU can reject science when it doesn't confrom to your .. agnostic atheism?

"
Before the Beginning
The universe begins with the big bang at time zero."


http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/t...ig-bang-a28940

Well, whatever floats your boat, I mean your opinions trump actual academics in EVERY case - so be it.

BTW - just like Dawkins, do you see how instead of defending agnostic atheism, you are just lashing out? Isn't that EXACTLY what I predicted would happen? How many times do you think I have seen this?

The multiverse is a theory that comes from academics(who unsurprisingly disagree).

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec...ligent-creator


You are now appealing to authority, after being guilty already of read herrings, straw men, non sequitur, and other logical fallacies already in this thread. It is especially absurd because you are so often appealing to authorities that don't even say the things you are attributing to them!!

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

Well, since matter/energy cannot be created (by man) or destroyed (by man) and there is no evidence that supports an eternal matter/energy, then a being of unimaginable power put it all there.

God of the Gaps logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by Jonsa

There's plenty of evidence that supports the big bang theory.
The theory has accurately predicted any number of discoveries.

that's science.

when confronted by evidence that contradicts a generally accepted theory science changes to accomodate new information.
When confronted by evidence that contradicts a generally held religious belief, religion attempts to discredit the evidence.

Yes, but the big bang theory is able to describe what happened the instant after the big bang occurred, but says nothing about what occurred before that. So the idea that scientists claim it created the universe from nothing is simply false!! The big bang is supported by evidence, what existed before that is not!! It is all just speculation. Yet neutral claims(like he often does) with certainty to be proving things that are themselves currently unprovable!!!

Originally Posted by frodly

My word!! I point out the idiocy of your train of thought, and instead of changing course, you double down on the idiocy!!


As for what proves the supernatural elements of Jesus's story wrong, is the proof that we have that supernatural doesn't exist!! Oh, you have ACTUAL proof of this, or is this ANOTHER arguement of ignorance? An appeal to authority? A person cannot be raised from the dead, they cannot walk on water, they cannot cure the sick with magic, etc. You believe fairy stories, and then challenge me to disprove them!! And again for you none reading lonn here.

http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2...-miracles.html

Oh, but you claim the opposite without proof???? Athtarded.

PS. You fundamentally don't understand the piece of logic you presented which claimed you can prove a negative. Yep clearly, as I have provided multiple academic sources once again, just as I did for your agnostic atheism, I just don't get it ... because you say so - another fallacious appeal to authority.. I am not a tiger and neither are you - I can prove to negatives right there. So, clearly, once again, its not logic driving atheism. It just spite. It meant in very practical terms you can establish an overwhelming collection of evidence to support something, which is in his mind tantamount to proof!! Yet he also concedes IT ISN'T PROOF!! However, that article is irrelevant. Because whether you can prove a negative or not, the burden is still on the person making the positive claim. You have no evidence to believe the absurd things you believe. I require no evidence not to believe them!! I know you don't like this reality, but it is reality. That is called an arguement from ignorance, do I need to post it again? Do I need to post again how the arguement from ignorance is used to shift the burden of proof by those who have no reason to believe what they do? Athtarded.

Agh, he's gone into full up athtarded troll mode.

He's talking about overwhelming proof, and then immediately rejecting it when its presented to him.

So, to be clear:

A. We sould reject Jesus, indeed all religion, based on the presentation of nothing more than insults and opinions, which are totally lacking in proof, and not required because he is an agnostic atheist with a temper.

Spot on, Spot on.

B. We should affirm Jesus, because there are several Ph.D level studies, peer reviewed by all other faith groups, that provide both Biblical and extra-Biblical support for the account, as in a LARGE preponderance of the evidence, and the presented evidence, with links, that allow people to go in and verify the sources as they wish. We also have a rebuttal, acadamics again, with sources that link to further academic sources, that allow you to go in and verify for yourself that the the Jesus Myth is a load of crap.

Hmmm ... Option B is clearly the total idiocy?

Now, of course, for rebutting the Jesus Myth and agnostic atheism, which is the dumbest form of atheism ever created by man, I am clearly inviting YET ANOTHER atheist to explode?

Spot on atheists, spot on.

You are evidence driven, but never present evidence.

Ergo, we must conclude that atheism is just an exercise in creative writing - which seems to have an awful lot of anger behind it?

Well, off to church now. Have fun with your anger frod.

Originally Posted by Questerr

The Big Bang describes the expansion of the universe from the Singularity.

It DOES NOT state that all energy was created at that point.

By supposing that the Big Bang created all energy, it is you that are rejecting the theory.

Obviously, but neutral doesn't seem to be willing to accept reality, if it contradicts him!!

Originally Posted by Neutral

Agh, he's gone into full up athtarded troll mode.

He's talking about overwhelming proof, and then immediately rejecting it when its presented to him.

So, to be clear:

A. We sould reject Jesus, indeed all religion, based on the presentation of nothing more than insults and opinions, which are totally lacking in proof, and not required because he is an agnostic atheist with a temper.

Spot on, Spot on.

B. We should affirm Jesus, because there are several Ph.D level studies, peer reviewed by all other faith groups, that provide both Biblical and extra-Biblical support for the account, as in a LARGE preponderance of the evidence, and the presented evidence, with links, that allow people to go in and verify the sources as they wish. We also have a rebuttal, acadamics again, with sources that link to further academic sources, that allow you to go in and verify for yourself that the the Jesus Myth is a load of crap.

Hmmm ... Option B is clearly the total idiocy?

Now, of course, for rebutting the Jesus Myth and agnostic atheism, which is the dumbest form of atheism ever created by man, I am clearly inviting YET ANOTHER atheist to explode?

Spot on atheists, spot on.

You are evidence driven, but never present evidence.

Ergo, we must conclude that atheism is just an exercise in creative writing - which seems to have an awful lot of anger behind it?

Honestly, this is idiocy beyond my ability to comprehend!! If you insist on saying false things, and then pretending they are already established facts, it is a form of trolling, and makes debate with you nearly impossible!! There is 0 academic proof that the things Jesus did actually happened. Not a single shred of evidence. You are simply asserting falsehoods as if they are facts. It is trolling of the most extreme kind!!

PS. You also fundamentally misunderstand what an argument from ignorance is!! Another example of fundamentally misunderstanding the terms of the debate!! You need to actually read and understand the sources you provide, because they so often either directly contradict you, or don't say what you say they do!!