Thread: Jesus was against Homosexuality.

Originally Posted by DivineComedy

I will take that as you confirming MoHamMad was a false prophet, because you obviously know that must be the case as he said Allah revealed the Torah to them.

Ok, fine, Marlo Thomas is a homo, big deal, not relevant. As for any other, prove it.

As for those Christian sects that believed sperm was holy because it was white, we know what happened to them.

Not much safety in this:

"God does not require His people to stone someone that is involved in that lifestyle" (BFSmith@764)

"knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death," (Romans 1:32)

The phrase "corruptible man" in that chapter I think is operative, to goes to "without natural affection," which depends upon more than just physical parts due to biology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXY_%28film%29

Is that the "corruptible man" or did the character decide to be uncorrupted by refusing drugs or surgery? What would be the "natural affection" of such a person?

Try Thomas Didymus, Dead Sea Scrolls.

Originally Posted by junobet

Obviously what the townspeople were after wasn't sex, but the humiliation of strangers.

The exact same principles can be found in the Odyssey by Homer, in the abuse of the stranger "Odysseus" in disguise (made by Athena), when he was abused by one of the suiters, and he later said it was the worse crime committed in his house, as the practice of abusing strangers means one is abusing Angels or gods walking among us.

The simple fact that Lot offered his daughters, would that not be a sin? Would not it have been better for him to offer himself only? But, if we consider Homer, Lot knew sex was not the issue, so it could be considered a poker bluff, and why would he offer daughters to the men if the sin was homosexuality? Did he not know what they wanted? The daughers though were living under the social contract their father had chosen, the Angels were not. The Angels, just as Odysseus disguised as a beggar, was under the protection of the house.

For the vary same reason civilian disguised terrorism is lifting the veils of Angels in search of salami bombs up Black Stone Idolater butt cracks and vaginas.

We should employ homosexuals to probe Moslem holes, if they believe an F-16 is the same as a civilian clothed suicide bomber, as one domestic Moslem said in Marc Levin's "Protocols of Zion," for a vacuous look on Levin's face (daddy has a picture of Che on the wall), in keeping with retarded "liberal" bigviews:

“Rape is not an enemy but a technique of warfare -- political intimidation through the selective breeding of unarmed non-combatants.” (Zbigview Brznutski, Obama supporter)
(Terrorized by 'War on Rape' - Washingtonpurplethrobbingpost) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032301613.html

Originally Posted by Margot

Try Thomas Didymus, Dead Sea Scrolls.

You fetch.

Originally Posted by cd8ed

No where in the NT does Jesus explicitly state anything about homosexuality. Also all sins are punishable by death - so you lying or judging others / condeming others to death will lead to your own if you do not accept the word of Christ.

All sins lead to death.
"For the wages of sin is death."
-Romans 6:23

This passage does not not include nor exclude any particular sins.

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
-Romans 3:23

Both verses continue on to immediately say "but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23 continued) and that we are "justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:23 continued).

You know nothing of which you preach - it is quite sad actually.
You condemning someone else's "sin of homosexuality" would be similar to someone condemning your sin of arrogance, judgment, (RO 14:4,10), lacking compassion (1 PE 3:8 ), condemning others (LK 6:37), ect, ect, ect...

Matthew 7:1-5 ESV


Luke 6:37 ESV


Romans 2:1-3 ESV

He never explicitly said anything about incest relationship ether, so does that mean that brothers and sisters can marry each other? Does it mean that a man can marry his mother-in-law?

Originally Posted by DBM aka FDS

That is incorrect.. http://www.gotquestions.org/where-is-Heaven.html

Question: "Where is heaven? What is the location of heaven?"

Answer: Heaven is most certainly a real place. The Bible very definitely speaks of heaven’s existence—and access to heaven through faith in Jesus Christ—but there are no verses that give us a Mapquest-style location. The short answer to this question is, “heaven is where God is.”

There is no scripture that says that. God’s presence is everywhere including where Heaven is not. God created Heaven, so to say that Heaven is where God is, is to say that Heaven is everywhere and that it was not created. And if Heaven is where God is then even the wicked are in Heaven, because the Bible says at death our spirit goes back to God.

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 (ESV)
1 Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw near of which you will say, “I have no pleasure in them”;
2 before the sun and the light and the moon and the stars are darkened and the clouds return after the rain,
3 in the day when the keepers of the house tremble, and the strong men are bent, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those who look through the windows are dimmed,
4 and the doors on the street are shut—when the sound of the grinding is low, and one rises up at the sound of a bird, and all the daughters of song are brought low—
5 they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way; the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags itself along, and desire fails, because man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets—
6 before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern,
7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

The place referred to in this question is called the “third heaven” and “paradise” in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4, where the apostle Paul tells of a living man who was “caught up” to heaven and was unable to describe it. The Greek word translated “caught up” is also used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in describing the rapture, wherein believers will be caught up to be with the Lord. These passages have led to the conclusion that heaven is beyond the earth’s airspace and beyond the stars.

2 Corinthians 12:1-4 is addressing two separate accounts.......notice that the words visions is mentioned and not vision. One vision was where he was caught up into the third Heaven and the other vision was when he was caught up into paradise. A paradise is like a park or a garden and Heaven is not. There are no trees, grass, water, air or birds for example in Heaven. The paradise that he saw was what the world is going to be like during the millennium when Jesus and the saints are ruling on the Earth.

However, since God is spirit, “heaven” cannot signify a place remote from us which He inhabits. The Greek gods were thought of as spending most of their time far away from earth in sort of a celestial equivalent of the Bahamas, but the God of the Bible is not like this. He is always near us when we call on Him (James 4:, and we are encouraged to “draw near” to Him (Hebrews 10:1, 22). Granted, the “heaven” where saints and angels dwell has to be thought of as a sort of locality, because saints and angels, as God’s creatures, exist in space and time. But when the Creator is said to be “in heaven,” the thought is that He exists on a different plane from us, rather than in a different place..

While much of what this writer said is true the highlighted part is not. Angels are spirit and spirit does not exist in time or space......they would have to have a body to exist in time and space and they do not.....they are spirit.

That God in heaven is always near to His children on earth is something which the Bible expresses throughout. The New Testament mentions heaven with considerable frequency. Yet, even with this frequency, detailed description of its location is missing. Perhaps God has intentionally covered its location in mystery, for it is more important for us to focus on the God of heaven than the description or location of it. It is more important to know the why than the where. The New Testament focuses on the purpose of heaven more than telling us what it is like or where it is. We have seen that hell is for separation and punishment (Matthew 8:12; 22:13). Heaven, on the other hand, is for fellowship and eternal joy and, more importantly, worshipping around the throne of God.

The Bible speaks more about the Earth than about Heaven......Jesus even said that the meek will inherit the Earth.

Matthew 5:5 (ASV)
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

He never explicitly said anything about incest relationship ether, so does that mean that brothers and sisters can marry each other? Does it mean that a man can marry his mother-in-law?

No, the bible states that incest is a sin, many times in fact. No one ever said otherwise. You are the one that is saying that Jesus (the physical form) was against homosexuality which may or may not have been true as it was never discussed by him.

Incest also carries with it all forms of potential dangers in the event of a child resulting from said union.

Thank you for ignoring everything else in my post about condemning others and judgment. False Christians often ignore passages they do not like while jumping on those that allow their hatred to be justified in their eyes.

You have no right to judge others as your sin is just as great, if not more so... You should pray for the salvation of all man and save your judgment.

Originally Posted by cd8ed

No, the bible states that incest is a sin, many times in fact. No one ever said otherwise. You are the one that is saying that Jesus (the physical form) was against homosexuality which may or may not have been true as it was never discussed by him.

Incest also carries with it all forms of potential dangers in the event of a child resulting from said union.

Thank you for ignoring everything else in my post about condemning others and judgment. False Christians often ignore passages they do not like while jumping on those that allow their hatred to be justified in their eyes.

You have no right to judge others as your sin is just as great, if not more so... You should pray for the salvation of all man and save your judgment.

You completely missed my whole point. You and junobet believes that since Jesus never said that same sex marriage was a sin, (even though it is spoken against both in the Old and the New Testament) then it means that it is not a sin. So my reply to that is that Jesus never said it was a sin for a brother and sister to marry either. It’s a double standard to say that it is a sin for members of the same family to marry but in the same breath say that same sex marriage is not a sin. Because they are both condemned in the Bible even if Jesus never said anything about them.


Homosexual act also carries with it its dangers as well. I remember a program that Gary Null did some years ago, where he interviewed a man that happened to be a homosexual.....the man had to wear a diaper because he could not prevent feces from coming out his rectum. That’s what can happen when one engages in anal sex.

Originally Posted by junobet

Obviously what the townspeople were after wasn't sex, but the humiliation of strangers.

As for the rest review:

http://www.politicalforum.com/religi...post1060923188
http://www.politicalforum.com/religi...post1060925055
http://www.politicalforum.com/religi...post1060930874

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You are far from following Christ. Your heart is pitch-black in this matter. Change it!

You are still ignoring these verse (Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22). It is interesting that God did not demand the death penalty for a man raping a woman.

Originally Posted by junobet

For the sake of argument I shall do as you do, cast all humility aside, and declare that I have the mind of Christ in this question and you do not.

The mind of Christ tells me that He does not see homosexuality as a sin, just as He doesn't see heterosexuality as a sin.




Sayeth Paul in Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

If you had the mind of Christ you would see that homosexuality is condemned even in the New Testament.

Originally Posted by junobet

If suddenly an animal evolved that has the intellectual and emotional capacity and independence to return love equally that would probably be okay, yes. Such an animal would be pretty much human though.

I can see where your mind is at.

Originally Posted by junobet

Sorry dear, but the well-known pathetic attempt to equal homosexuality with having sex with animals and kiddie-fiddling never has worked and never will.

You are very good at twisting my words as you are of twisting the scriptures. I was not equating it with homosexuality.....I was simply using your own reasoning against you. That if Jesus did not say homosexuality is a sin then it means it is fine to engage in it. Even so, He was also silent on human beings having sex with animals, so from your line of reasoning that too is fine.

Originally Posted by junobet

I called what you said nonsense. Are you claiming to be Jesus now?
As for conversion: so you think Peter was not converted yet when he made a complete ass of himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?

No he was not converted.......he and the rest of his fellow disciples of Jesus had not received the Holy Spirit. His conversion came later on when they received the Holy Spirit, the sign of that was when the Holy Spirit was hovering over there head in the shape of cloven tongues.

Originally Posted by junobet

Obviously in this case your sense of right and wrong is neither based on science nor faith, but on brutish prejudice.

I did not put the scriptures that I provided in the Bible.......God did.

Originally Posted by junobet

said before: Homosexuality isn't a sin. But homosexuals are undoubtedly among your fellow-men. Love them and treat them with respect!

You still have not provided one scripture that said that homosexuality is now acceptable to God.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

You are very good at twisting my words as you are of twisting the scriptures. I was not equating it with homosexuality.....I was simply using your own reasoning against you. That if Jesus did not say homosexuality is a sin then it means it is fine to engage in it. Even so, He was also silent on human beings having sex with animals, so from your line of reasoning that too is fine.

You're twisting my words. There are loads of things Jesus didn't condemn or condone because just like homosexuality and LGTB rights they weren't an issue for the people he preached to.

He gave us a golden rule to make our decisions about future issues though:

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. "

If you don't want to be looked down upon for your sexual identity, if you don't want to have a sexual identity forced down your throat: don't do it to others.