Thread: Jesus was against Homosexuality.

There is nothing written in RED that states that Jesus hates homosexuals... That is a myth that has been passed down since the church needed money and supporters so it "invented" sins and frightened people into herds of sheep... whom also have money.

Imagine that...

Originally Posted by DBM aka FDS

There is nothing written in RED that states that Jesus hates homosexuals... That is a myth that has been passed down since the church needed money and supporters so it "invented" sins and frightened people into herds of sheep... whom also have money.

Imagine that...

I don't personally know of any Christian that says that......what Jesus hates is the sin and homosexuality is one of those sins.

Originally Posted by DivineComedy

You see how the truth just pops out from the Holy Spirit? Praise the Lord.

I just want to make a correction of a typing error. This is what I wanted to say, Had God wanted two people of the same sex to have sexual relations with each other He would NOT have made Adam and Eve the way He made…..the word not was missing.

Originally Posted by DivineComedy

Yes, He made Adam and Eve the way He made them, imperfect.

Well, the Bible did not say God made them imperfect.....the Bible said that God saw that everything that He had made that it was good......imperfection is not good. They were not imperfect but they were not righteous as God is, but they had the opportunity to be that way had they eaten of the tree of life.

The Bible says that Christians are to be transformed by the renewing of their minds, and they are to be a light in the world. But some of those who claim to be Christians are getting their values from the world. And the Bible says that the world is deceived and that Satan is the god of this world.


Follow the world and you will reap what it will reap.

Revelation 18:4 (NKJV)
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

The point of me putting that scripture there is to show Junobet is that God hated homosexuality that He required the death penalty for doing it. And God did not change His mind on Homosexuality in the New Testament, because He inspired some of those who preached the gospel to condemn it. God does not require His people to stone someone that is involved in that lifestyle, but in a Church setting true Christians will put that individual out of the Church. If the individual refuse to repent ultimately God will cast that person into the lake of fire, where that person will be consumed in the flame and the heat and die, never to live again, and our memory of such a person will be forgotten.

Look .. God many things in leviticus.

The NT does not directly condemn homosexuality but Jesus does comment on Adultery ( If they do not condemn you then neither do I)

The OT says the Adulterer should be stoned. Jesus says no
The OT says Homosexuality is an abomination. Jesus says nothing.

Jesus may not have condoned homosexuality but one thing is for sure is that he would not have condonded people Judging homosexuals.

Mind your own affairs .. and leave others to theirs was the idea that Jesus was trying so hard, in so many passages, to get across but the extreme right Christians just can not seem to get it.

Judge not lest ye be Judged. It is this hateful Christians that will be judged according to Jesus.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

The Bible says that Christians are to be transformed by the renewing of their minds, and they are to be a light in the world. But some of those who claim to be Christians are getting their values from the world. And the Bible says that the world is deceived and that Satan is the god of this world.


Follow the world and you will reap what it will reap.

Revelation 18:4 (NKJV)
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Kind of reminds me of a Christian Gay rights advocate who was trying to convince me and extolled the riots, big mistake:

"On June 28, 1970, the first Gay Pride marches took place in Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York commemorating the anniversary of the riots. Similar marches were organized in other cities. Today, Gay Pride events are held annually throughout the world toward the end of June to mark the Stonewall riots."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Especially considering the history of the early spread of the plague between New York and California, which was a direct result of that sinning which spread GRID:

"Gaëtan Dugas, so-called 'Patient Zero', was a flight attendant who had over 2,500 sexual partners across North America. At least 40 of the 248 people diagnosed with AIDS by April 1982 were thought to have had sex either with him or with someone who had. Dugas refused to stop having unprotected sex after being diagnosed, and allegedly informed some of his sex partners that he had the 'gay cancer' and perhaps they would get it too." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...IDS_cases#1980

"1980
October 31
French-Canadian flight attendant Gaetan Dugas pays his first known visit to New York City bathhouses. All of the city’s early infections would be traced to Dugas, since dubbed 'Patient Zero.'" http://nymag.com/news/features/17158/

You are probably familiar with this sexual plague:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...-9&version=ASV

Man Satan
---- = -----
Water Air

So, here you have man is to water as Satan is to air. Or, in biblical terms Satan is the principality and the power of the air, or as Al Quacka put it:

"Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: 'But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)'; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2)

*****

Even if you cannot accept that Homosexuality is not a sin, that they are maybe like eunuchs born that way, that Jesus left out hate of them for a reason, promoting marriage is one way to try and stop plagues. That still promotes some morality, better to marry than burn in lust. If you cannot win the PR war it is either 1 sin or 2 sins; better to have one sinner (one flesh) married than two sinners or three (bisexual) unmarried and spreading a fruit loop virus, and the added sin of questioning the virgin that catches it at the Dentist because "no reported case" is retarded science.

You do not have to follow the world to promote groupings (marriage) that limits the spread of plagues.

Originally Posted by DivineComedy

Kind of reminds me of a Christian Gay rights advocate who was trying to convince me and extolled the riots, big mistake:

"On June 28, 1970, the first Gay Pride marches took place in Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York commemorating the anniversary of the riots. Similar marches were organized in other cities. Today, Gay Pride events are held annually throughout the world toward the end of June to mark the Stonewall riots."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Especially considering the history of the early spread of the plague between New York and California, which was a direct result of that sinning which spread GRID:

"Gaëtan Dugas, so-called 'Patient Zero', was a flight attendant who had over 2,500 sexual partners across North America. At least 40 of the 248 people diagnosed with AIDS by April 1982 were thought to have had sex either with him or with someone who had. Dugas refused to stop having unprotected sex after being diagnosed, and allegedly informed some of his sex partners that he had the 'gay cancer' and perhaps they would get it too." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...IDS_cases#1980

"1980
October 31
French-Canadian flight attendant Gaetan Dugas pays his first known visit to New York City bathhouses. All of the city’s early infections would be traced to Dugas, since dubbed 'Patient Zero.'" http://nymag.com/news/features/17158/

You are probably familiar with this sexual plague:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...-9&version=ASV

Man Satan
---- = -----
Water Air

So, here you have man is to water as Satan is to air. Or, in biblical terms Satan is the principality and the power of the air, or as Al Quacka put it:

"Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: 'But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)'; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2)

*****

Even if you cannot accept that Homosexuality is not a sin, that they are maybe like eunuchs born that way, that Jesus left out hate of them for a reason, promoting marriage is one way to try and stop plagues. That still promotes some morality, better to marry than burn in lust. If you cannot win the PR war it is either 1 sin or 2 sins; better to have one sinner (one flesh) married than two sinners or three (bisexual) unmarried and spreading a fruit loop virus, and the added sin of questioning the virgin that catches it at the Dentist because "no reported case" is retarded science.

You do not have to follow the world to promote groupings (marriage) that limits the spread of plagues.

My only response is this.
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death.Proverbs 14:12 (ASV)

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

My only response is this.
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death.Proverbs 14:12 (ASV)

"A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both." (Proverbs 27:3)

There is a way which seemeth right to them, with it you can still keep your rightiousness, but expect those deprived of what is right to them to be heavy in their wrath.

Originally Posted by JohnnyQuest

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

John 21:20


It would seem that Jesus, Himself, had exhibited homosexual tendencies.

yeah makes me giggle as well ,if judged by what he did and not by what he said or didn't write ,jesus was homosexual ,eg;always around his 'disciples'' ,politly rejected Mary Magalines sexual advances .never had hetrosexual relations ???

A healthy male that never thought with his (*)(*)(*)(*) is an impossible thing ,did jesus masturbate,Yes he did .

did he have sex yes he and hios disciples had sex all the time with each other,i always wondered what happened to Joseph ,maybe a dad disappointed about his Homosexual son?

And for all those that think this is not as legitimate if not more legitimate then jesus being a Hetrosexual ,they used to keep it very secret as the penalty was stoning to death.

Anyone found anything jesus actually wrote ,No ,well he was Illiterate as well as being Homosexual.

The Hearsay of the bible is well documented,at least moses wrote the 10 Commandments.Why are Jews so gullible,Moses goes up a mountain does a bit of stone work after a couple of days comes down and sells it as gods words to him ?

is it collective stupidity or the Ignorance of the time.?

I think the later.

Then again some Jews think that Israel is democracy nothing much changes.

Originally Posted by JohnnyQuest

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

John 21:20


It would seem that Jesus, Himself, had exhibited homosexual tendencies.

Hey a bit of a fall out between homosexual lovers is a very valid explaination of the acts of Judas ,and as well as that dosen't the Catholic church to this day demand Homosexual activity from its priesthood?

can't be female and a catholic priest hey?

Can be a Lesbian Nun .

Wow,i think we are onto something seriously ,homosexuals would be very attracted in olden times joining the catholic church,in fact it would be one of the very few places they could hide from persecution ,and have a sexual life.

And as far as lesbians are concerned the Nunnery was a sexual love fest,personally i wouldn't have minded being a nun.

Makes sence of the Inquisition and the forms of Torture,adapted from the BDSM,that used to get the clergy rocks off ,red hot pokers up the rectum for starters .Makes sense the Catholic church is representative of the LGBTIQ throughout history .WOW ,if the Pope isn't Homosexual I want to see him do a chick.

"Pope does a convent ' they used to why not now? '

yes the original nuns were Pope concubines,they used to do them why not now?