Thread: How can evil exist without God?

A nuclear explosion is a demonstrable force; but nuclear weapons do not release a wave of evil when they go off in an uninhabited portion of the desert.

All the nuclear fallout from all those tests done in the 40s and 50s are still circling the earth today. That's why cancer is the number one cause of death. Objective and subjective is the Texas two step. Truth, like evil, are facts of reality.

Originally Posted by gophangover

Evil is destructive, God is creative. God doesn't destroy and evil doesn't create. They are not interchangeable.

OMG - huh ? "God is creative. God doesn't destroy " Does'nt destroy ? where did you hear that ?

Who the hell is IN CHARGE ? why earthquakes-volcanos-tsunamis - Tornados/Hurricanes , etc,.etc

" For God so loved the world that he drowned every S O B who would'nt listen to him,- including those who've never heard of him.

God hated the world so much that he sent his only son so that whoever does not believe in him will perish and be denied eternal life.--God's Ex-wife


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Originally Posted by gophangover

All the nuclear fallout from all those tests done in the 40s and 50s are still circling the earth today. That's why cancer is the number one cause of death. Objective and subjective is the Texas two step. Truth, like evil, are facts of reality.

Good as a concept exists, sure. Evil is it's natural opposite so if one exists, then both do. But the concepts themselves, what is actually good and what is actually evil, are completely subjective and up to the people defining them. There is no universal good. You can believe there is, but having a belief in something doesn't make it exist in reality, or I'd have an orchard of money trees in my backyard.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

OMG - huh ? "God is creative. God doesn't destroy " Does'nt destroy ? where did you hear that ?

Who the hell is IN CHARGE ? why earthquakes-volcanos-tsunamis - Tornados/Hurricanes , etc,.etc

" For God so loved the world that he drowned every S O B who would'nt listen to him,- including those who've never heard of him.

God hated the world so much that he sent his only son so that whoever does not believe in him will perish and be denied eternal life.--God's Ex-wife


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And I'm pretty sure God wrought some destruction of his own too if the Old Testament is to be believed. Or did evil cause the world to flood, and fire and brimstone to rain down on Sodom and Gomorrah? Evil may have been the motivating factor, but it was God who did the destroying, if Gop's logic is to be believed.

Or consider the death of the firstborn in Egpyt that God wrought during the Moses episodes. Those firstborn were innocent as only a child can be. Yet God killed them just the same.

Originally Posted by gophangover

All the nuclear fallout from all those tests done in the 40s and 50s are still circling the earth today.

Some of it might be, but insignificant amounts. Unless you want to try to claim that material once released into the atmosphere remains there forever. In which case I would like you to explain how sandstorms die down.

That's why cancer is the number one cause of death. Objective and subjective is the Texas two step. Truth, like evil, are facts of reality.

No, it is not. Evil is entirely in the mind of the person perceiving an act. It is a subjective impression of it.

Originally Posted by gophangover

Yeah yeah, I know, there's no such thing as evil according to atheists. So when a child gets raped and murdered, it's just one of their friends having a good time. There's no such thing as rape or murder either, right?

That’s not true people can make up evil rape is nonconsensual sex murder is the illegal killing of a person

You speak ignorance

Originally Posted by gophangover

Evil is destructive, God is creative. God doesn't destroy and evil doesn't create. They are not interchangeable.

thats what good and evil is to you then

Originally Posted by gophangover

God created religion, but God isn't religious.

prove it please

Originally Posted by Someone

A nuclear explosion is a demonstrable force; but nuclear weapons do not release a wave of evil when they go off in an uninhabited portion of the desert. They release a shockwave instead, which is itself morally neutral.

The evil is in deciding to use that against inhabited cities and such. And that's subjectively evil, not objectively evil. It's quite possible to morally justify a nuclear attack with an objective moral system--it's impossible to morally justify it with a subjective morality.

why can’t you justify it subjectively?

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

Good as a concept exists, sure. Evil is it's natural opposite so if one exists, then both do. But the concepts themselves, what is actually good and what is actually evil, are completely subjective and up to the people defining them. There is no universal good. You can believe there is, but having a belief in something doesn't make it exist in reality, or I'd have an orchard of money trees in my backyard.

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't make it not exist. You can believe that rape and murder are not evil, but it doesn't change the fact.

And I'm pretty sure God wrought some destruction of his own too if the Old Testament is to be believed. Or did evil cause the world to flood, and fire and brimstone to rain down on Sodom and Gomorrah? Evil may have been the motivating factor, but it was God who did the destroying, if Gop's logic is to be believed.

Again, God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, evil did. God didn't write the old testament, men did. Creation and destruction, positive and negative, truth and evil must be kept in proper perspective. They are not interchangeable. Oh, and GOP logic is an oxy-moron.