Thread: Is There Any Evidence for the Existence of God?

Originally Posted by fishmatter

I'm sorry, you're going to have to define every word in that sentence without using any words.

See? It's annoying when somebody else shifts the goalposts, isn't it? Stop trying to change the subject, in particular with a terrible analogy about a movie. If a million people see the sun come every day for 10 years AND the sun coming up is consistent with our understanding of the universe then it's safe to conclude that the sun comes up daily. You know this as well as I do - stop being an idiot.

How is it a dumb analogy? How do we know what we call "reality" isn't really a complex 4D fictional event no different than a movie?

Originally Posted by SkyStryker

How is it a dumb analogy? How do we know what we call "reality" isn't really a complex 4D fictional event no different than a movie?

what does an atheist believe?

Originally Posted by MisLed

what does an atheist believe?

Ask an atheist. Now will you address my post?

Originally Posted by MisLed

what does an atheist believe?

Depends on the atheist. Atheism has no doctrine attached to it, so the question of "What does an atheist believe?" depends on which atheist you ask.

Originally Posted by MisLed

what does an atheist believe?

An atheist disbelieves in gods.

Originally Posted by LibertarianFTW

Sorry for making such a generic thread, but I've never seen a rational argument for the existence of God.

There's the Thomas Aquinas argument that everything is created by something, as we know it, and, so, there is a loop. The plant was created by the seed which was created by something else, etc., etc. Since this loop cannot be infinite, whatever is at the end of the loop, whatever created the spin, is what we know as a "god." This is compatible with the Big Bang Theory. Even if we consider the Big Bang to be the beginning, then, by Aquinas definitions, the Big Bang was a "god."

This is the best argument I've seen for the existence of a god, but that's not saying much -- I have never really seen any other argument providing philosophical evidence for a god. This also only gives a little reason behind "a god" rather than "God." However, when you think about it, it's really just saying that we exist; thus, there must be a god. Maybe there is a big loop. Perhaps there is some other element besides creation at some point. The answer to life, the universe and everything could be beyond our comprehension.*

There is absolutely no evidence that I've been presented with showing that God exists. This is what I'm really interested in: how is it that billions of people could believe in a personal god? I take the Einstein theory that a deity is not so ridiculous, but the belief of a personal god is craziness. By personal god, I mean believing in a bible, God watching you, sins, Heaven, Hell, etc. Why do you believe in this? How are you certain that this is the truth?

And please, don't turn this around and say "you can't prove that God DOESN'T exist!" Yeah, just like I can't prove that there's not little fat bald dudes in every atom. Anyway, atheism is not believing that God exists, not necessarily believing that God does not exist. So, please, none of those arguments. I sincerely want to see what is going through the minds of the religious.


*Just kidding -- it's 42.

I am convinced. From Genesis to Revelation the continuity of God's plan of salvation is clear. God is Holy. God is just. God is judge. God has provided himself as a sacrifice for our sin. Fullfilled prophesy concerning the nation of Israel and the nations of the world gathering against her, the words of Jesus are profound, he is the embodiment of truth. There is no end to the reasons I believe in God.

Originally Posted by Never Left

I am convinced. From Genesis to Revelation the continuity of God's plan of salvation is clear. God is Holy. God is just. God is judge. God has provided himself as a sacrifice for our sin. Fullfilled prophesy concerning the nation of Israel and the nations of the world gathering against her, the words of Jesus are profound, he is the embodiment of truth. There is no end to the reasons I believe in God.

All good but irrelevant to the question I think.

Originally Posted by Never Left

I am convinced. From Genesis to Revelation the continuity of God's plan of salvation is clear. God is Holy. God is just. God is judge. God has provided himself as a sacrifice for our sin. Fullfilled prophesy concerning the nation of Israel and the nations of the world gathering against her, the words of Jesus are profound, he is the embodiment of truth. There is no end to the reasons I believe in God.

I, as a quite partial jury of one, see 'evidence of God' everywhere I look. From love, to kick-ass music I hear, cool people I meet, the wondrous variety of nature, the mind-blowing science, the cuteness of puppies, etc.... I see these things because I look for them. I see them because I believe. For someone who doesn't believe, even if they love, dig music, meet cool people, appreciate nature, get their minds blown by science, and think puppies are cute, there's no reason at all to regard any of it as 'evidence of God'.

As for the prophecies, thanks to the appearance of 'seers' throughout history like Nostradamus and Miss Cleo, prophecies are going to be hard for any logical mind to choke down, if they haven't already accepted the legitimacy of the source.

Faith comes first. The 'evidence', as we perceive it, follows, as a product of our perspective as believers in God.

The existence of GOD is simple. just look in the mirror. see what he created?

classs dimissed.

Originally Posted by Never Left

I am convinced. From Genesis to Revelation the continuity of God's plan of salvation is clear. God is Holy. God is just. God is judge. God has provided himself as a sacrifice for our sin. Fullfilled prophesy concerning the nation of Israel and the nations of the world gathering against her, the words of Jesus are profound, he is the embodiment of truth. There is no end to the reasons I believe in God.

Does God have a penis?