Thread: Mohammed did not exist??

Well, some new revelation that directly challenge Muslim story about a man they believe was a prophet from God that founded Islam....it would seem there are two Mohammed, the Mohammed warlord which is an existing one and the myth-Mohammed the prophet who was never was but was a creation of early Arab tribes. Already we see so many contradiction being taught by Muslims their own writings the Quran, Haidth and Sunnah tend to conflict with each other mind you, these book are all written by Muslims not Christians....I guess maybe that is why Muslims wanted to destroy Christians and Jews because we are able to read and understand what they are writing compare to Muslims who do not seem to understand or notice all the distortion and conflict of their writers stories.

Michael Coren Interviews Robert Spencer - Did...

Thread started at Forum 4 Politics on 05-04-2012 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Forum4PoliticsBot

Well, some new revelation that directly challenge Muslim story about a man they believe was a prophet from God that founded Islam....it would seem there are two Mohammed, the Mohammed warlord which is an existing one and the myth-Mohammed the prophet who was never was but was a creation of early Arab tribes. Already we see so many contradiction being taught by Muslims their own writings the Quran, Haidth and Sunnah tend to conflict with each other mind you, these book are all written by Muslims not Christians....I guess maybe that is why Muslims wanted to destroy Christians and Jews because we are able to read and understand what they are writing compare to Muslims who do not seem to understand or notice all the distortion and conflict of their writers stories.

Michael Coren Interviews Robert Spencer - Did...

Thread started at Forum 4 Politics on 05-04-2012 11:43 AM

No doubt this study will received tremendous resistance mainly off course from Muslims and Muslim supporters they have and will make claims that Spencer is nothing but a bigot and an Islamophobe at the same time ignoring that Spencer was never arrogant or aggressive in presenting his research compare to Muslim leaders and I repeat Muslim leaders that openly preach death to America! Allh akbar! death to Israel! all fiery speeches and proclamations that are clearly racist, bigot and Christianaphone. But, we will never hear anyone accusing them of being bigot Muslim cleric such as Shabir Ali, Zakir Naik, Hamza Yusuf etc. they speak strongly about anti Christian why are they not being consider bigots?

Spencer did a very tremendous job a deep research and study that no other scholars would have dare to do in fear of reprisals from Muslims.

In fact after listening and reading its point of view, it would seem that there is now a chance a theory that Jesus is that Mohammed? Mohammed the word mean "the praise one" who is the praise one? is it Jesus Christ?

Maybe this is why Muslim leaders taught to their followers never to have picture of Mohammed because there was no Mohammed?
Muslim have no problem of photos of Mary or Jesus but they have problem with Mohammed?

Originally Posted by WanRen

No doubt this study will received tremendous resistance mainly off course from Muslims and Muslim supporters they have and will make claims that Spencer is nothing but a bigot and an Islamophobe at the same time ignoring that Spencer was never arrogant or aggressive in presenting his research compare to Muslim leaders and I repeat Muslim leaders that openly preach death to America! Allh akbar! death to Israel! all fiery speeches and proclamations that are clearly racist, bigot and Christianaphone.

You are familiar that most of the current Islamic world was colonized by Christian Europeans, right? And that a lot of the colonization process was brutal and dehumanizing, right? There's a reason anti-European and anti-American sentiment go a long way in the Islamic world: it describes long-held feelings about colonial empires that have overthrown indigenous leaders and have brutalized their peoples.

But, we will never hear anyone accusing them of being bigot Muslim cleric such as Shabir Ali, Zakir Naik, Hamza Yusuf etc. they speak strongly about anti Christian why are they not being consider bigots?

A lot of people call them bigots, such as yourself. Congratulations on being blind.

Spencer did a very tremendous job a deep research and study that no other scholars would have dare to do in fear of reprisals from Muslims.

Please, tell me how otherwise completely disunited and warring Arab tribes managed to become united under a central government that managed to win battles against two of the strongest states on earth at the time (admittedly weakened by fighting each other, but still each individually strong enough to keep major incursions to their territories limited). Or Syrian Byzantine scholars mentioning him two years after his death.

In short, there's decent evidence that Muhammad probably existed. The evidence is much stronger than for Jesus, at any rate (though, I'd say there's a good chance of there having been an historical Jesus).

http://www.opendemocracy.net/faith-e...ammed_3866.jsp

In fact after listening and reading its point of view, it would seem that there is now a chance a theory that Jesus is that Mohammed? Mohammed the word mean "the praise one" who is the praise one? is it Jesus Christ?

No. That's completely foolish. There's a 600 year gap between the two.

Maybe this is why Muslim leaders taught to their followers never to have picture of Mohammed because there was no Mohammed?
Muslim have no problem of photos of Mary or Jesus but they have problem with Mohammed?

Have you even seen a Masjid? They don't have any pictures of humans at all, and most Muslims don't concern themselves with how Christians worship, aside from saying they are wrong for trying to make the One God into three gods. They do think Mary is an important figure, with Jesus being a prophet second only to Muhammad (and they also believe that Jesus is going to herald the Day of Judgement, too), but they don't have any images of either of them, in general (Islam, having 1 billion followers with no real religious leader aside from imams, who don't have the same authority as, say, a bishop in most Christian churches; thus, many individual interpretations of Islam crop up).

I have to look at yahoo answers once in a while just to be reminded at how stupid and arrogant these kids are. one person asks for secular proof of mo's existence. look at the hell he had to endure. 1. The young mush heads don't comprehend the question, they obfuscate, it's true cause i say its true and they are insulting if you dare to question. no wonder we have the ows and the violence associated with it

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006042413092 Is there any secular evidence for the existence of mohammad. The one that made me laugh was...of course he did. he's in the koran.

=Akhlut;1061184521]You are familiar that most of the current Islamic world was colonized by Christian Europeans, right? And that a lot of the colonization process was brutal and dehumanizing, right? There's a reason anti-European and anti-American sentiment go a long way in the Islamic world: it describes long-held feelings about colonial empires that have overthrown indigenous leaders and have brutalized their peoples.

Are you aware that Jews, Christian and other Arab tribes that used to exist abundantly in the Arabian peninsula in the 600 ad were conquered and colonized by Muslims centuries before the arrival of European Christians? And that Jewish and Christian tribes were wiped out because Mohammed order they should be as commanded by the Koran? And that Mohammed was assassinated by a Jewish girl whom Mohammed had her tribe massacred? That when Europe after finally defeating Muslim armies and colonize Muslims Middle East in the 1800s, they left Muslims alone to practice their faith? Islamic hatred for Europe and America has nothing to do with the overthrown of indigenous people it has to do because Catholic Europe was able to stop and humiliated Muslim conquering armies from subjugating Christian Europe, as for America they hate America because America has become the epitome of Christian success.

A lot of people call them bigots, such as yourself. Congratulations on being blind.

The difference is that Muslims and their friends will call anyone who question, ask or point out the faults of Islam are automatically bigots. We on the other hand don't automatically classify Muslims as bigots.

Please, tell me how otherwise completely disunited and warring Arab tribes managed to become united under a central government that managed to win battles against two of the strongest states on earth at the time (admittedly weakened by fighting each other, but still each individually strong enough to keep major incursions to their territories limited). Or Syrian Byzantine scholars mentioning him two years after his death.

The Arabs tribes become united because of the following:
1. Introduction of the one God concept thus destroying all other faith creating a uniformity. Arab leaders needed someone or something and Mohammed was that entity.
2. With the one God and the Mohammed, Muslims were given the permission to kill anyone that resist. It is not a sin for Muslims to kill anyone that resist. Arab warriors no longer have to feel guilty or be afraid that they will burn in hell for killing anyone that resist. Including anyone who dare to question their ideology or religion.

In short, there's decent evidence that Muhammad probably existed. The evidence is much stronger than for Jesus, at any rate (though, I'd say there's a good chance of there having been an historical Jesus).
http://www.opendemocracy.net/faith-e...ammed_3866.jsp

Accordingly, Jesus is mention about 25x while Mohammed only about 5x in the Koran. Plus, Muslims place so much restriction on Mohammed but not on Jesus. Mohammed story tend to conflict as well, such as some Muslims claim Mohammed is not illiterate while the mainstream story is that he is illiterate. But if he is illiterate than why the spirit told Mohammed to read? If he is literate than where is the book that he was supposed to be reading from? If he is illiterate how can he become a very successful businessman or arbitrator between tribes? How can he made written treaties with the Jews, Christians and Byzantine Empire?

How come no paintings of him or him with his families or with his trusted apostles? There monuments, and sculptures of great Muslim warriors and leaders but no Mohammed?

No. That's completely foolish. There's a 600 year gap between the two.

Jesus existence was well documented with artifacts, historical events and eyewitness accounts. Mohammed who appear 600 yrs later at a time when there was wide spread Christian heretics, the booming business of religion on the one God concept and conflicting accounts of Mohammed's life.

Have you even seen a Masjid? They don't have any pictures of humans at all, and most Muslims don't concern themselves with how Christians worship, aside from saying they are wrong for trying to make the One God into three gods. They do think Mary is an important figure, with Jesus being a prophet second only to Muhammad (and they also believe that Jesus is going to herald the Day of Judgement, too), but they don't have any images of either of them, in general (Islam, having 1 billion followers with no real religious leader aside from imams, who don't have the same authority as, say, a bishop in most Christian churches; thus, many individual interpretations of Islam crop up).

We have seen how Muslim leaders have them selves painted in marvelous paintings, in fact Muslims have paintings and scupltures of Uthman, Salahadin etc. and other famous Muslim leaders but no Mohammed?? Muslim belief are similar to the early Christian heretics such as Arianism, Nestorians and Ebonites that were historically highly concentrated in the Arabian peninsula these heretics teach what Islam teaches no Trinity, Jesus is not God the only thing that Islam added is militancy a religion that has a military force to back its claims. Two of the most centrally organize Islamic sects are the Sunni and Shiite, with out a central head there is no way Muslim will be able to enforce their sharia laws.