Thread: Saying Hello

Originally Posted by montra

As a Christian myself I can relate. I have often been uncomfortable with the inerrant theology. No where does the Bible claim to be, rather, it simply claims to be inspired by God. So the logic is that if it is inspired then it is inerrant. This is an ASSUMPTION. However, I take issue with the notion that the Bible leads us to believe falsehoods. I don't think that the case either. For example, I believe in creation, but also believe that the earth is far older than 6000 years. I really enjoyed a book by Dr. Gerald Schroeder who suggested that the disconnect comes with translation. The original Hebrew reads differently on the matter than English translations. He then brought up ancient rabbis who translated the text into laymens terms as proof of his arguement. It really is a fascinating read. I also do not believe that evolution and creation to be necessarily mutually exclusive.

What's the name of the book by Schroeder?

Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd

When you think about Genesis 3:22 it's easy to see how absurd it is. A person could never live forever because he was not present at the beginning of time.

Stop there. You and I were there. The first life procreated and cells divided and generation lived on during all them years.

They couldn't send it in a 'text'.

But if there ever was a break in your chain since the beginning of time, your light wouldn't be here!

That comprehension also brings (raises) your fathers and mothers of all pasts to the flesh, in you. You are them.

Honor them

Enable life by choice, with your knowledge and live forever in what you do.


Think of yourself within this ocean of existence. But you can tap the surface by choice and if your waves combine with other waves that live longer, you live longer, literally.

Ps.... You practice death of conscious awareness each night you sleep but still Alive just the same.

Appreciate every moment, cuz you're there, now!

Originally Posted by montra

As a Christian myself I can relate. I have often been uncomfortable with the inerrant theology. No where does the Bible claim to be, rather, it simply claims to be inspired by God. So the logic is that if it is inspired then it is inerrant. This is an ASSUMPTION. However, I take issue with the notion that the Bible leads us to believe falsehoods. I don't think that the case either. For example, I believe in creation, but also believe that the earth is far older than 6000 years. I really enjoyed a book by Dr. Gerald Schroeder who suggested that the disconnect comes with translation. The original Hebrew reads differently on the matter than English translations. He then brought up ancient rabbis who translated the text into laymens terms as proof of his arguement. It really is a fascinating read. I also do not believe that evolution and creation to be necessarily mutually exclusive.

Where did Bible say the earth is 6000 years old?

Originally Posted by lynx

Where did Bible say the earth is 6000 years old?

It does not. It says 6 days. So we have a general calendar from the generations mentioned in the Bible since Adam to give us a ballpark of what time creation occured.

Originally Posted by Bill Occam

What's the name of the book by Schroeder?

"Genesis and the Big Bang" is the name of the book.

Essentially he uses a handfull of rabbis who from a premodern science age to show that their interpretation of the Hebrew version of Genesis indicates that the 6 days of creation were far longer than a literal day. They came to this conclusion directly from the text and passed down information. He then adds some theories of his own about what a day entails. His theory is that the universe is about 15 billion years old and that each day time halved. That means that day one was 8 billion years, day 2 was 4 billion years, day 3 was 2 billion years etc. Interestingly, the days then match up in terms of life sprining up in the ocean during the Cambrian explosion etc.

Originally Posted by lynx

Where did Bible say the earth is 6000 years old?

The Jews said that the Earth is 6,000 (5,772) years old because they measure their calendar from the creation of the world. And since the Jews wrote the Bible a lot of people believe what they say.

Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd

The Jews said that the Earth is 6,000 (5,772) years old because they measure their calendar from the creation of the world. And since the Jews wrote the Bible a lot of people believe what they say.

But Jews have 7000 years history though.

Originally Posted by montra

As a Christian myself I can relate. I have often been uncomfortable with the inerrant theology. No where does the Bible claim to be, rather, it simply claims to be inspired by God. So the logic is that if it is inspired then it is inerrant. This is an ASSUMPTION. However, I take issue with the notion that the Bible leads us to believe falsehoods. I don't think that the case either. For example, I believe in creation, but also believe that the earth is far older than 6000 years. I really enjoyed a book by Dr. Gerald Schroeder who suggested that the disconnect comes with translation. The original Hebrew reads differently on the matter than English translations. He then brought up ancient rabbis who translated the text into laymens terms as proof of his arguement. It really is a fascinating read. I also do not believe that evolution and creation to be necessarily mutually exclusive.

If you look at the scripture that says: "one day could mean a thousand days etc to God", indicates to me that time is nonlinear with God. So We'll never know, I suppose! Whatever you belief I don't think it really matters, does it? As long as you believe that God created the heavens and the Earth, and however he did it, or however long it took him could be discussed until the cows come home!

Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd

The Jews said that the Earth is 6,000 (5,772) years old because they measure their calendar from the creation of the world. And since the Jews wrote the Bible a lot of people believe what they say.

So you can see: Jews were always younger than naive.

http://youtu.be/rQi8wEHMm5Y

Originally Posted by lynx

But Jews have 7000 years history though.

Good grieve: It's not fine to speak about the real age of an old lady - even if she is the eldest old living lady of the world. Let's hope she' s a little cloth-eared.

http://youtu.be/-7RQ3SOehJg