Thread: Why Do You Hate Islam Pt. 2

I'm also wondering why Muslim states have such low Minority rates. Here in America the Mexicans can't come into America fast enough, but Africans aren't migrating for a better life.

Originally Posted by montra

Then for validation all you have is the words written in the Quran?

What of St. Paul?

http://www.voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html

http://danizier.wordpress.com/2011/0...sus-and-james/

These are not Muslim sources nor Quranic sources.

Originally Posted by OJLeb

Islam is not a religion you can force upon people. Now, literally like any belief system -not just religion - it can by forced, yes.

But spiritually, no, it cannot. One is not a Muslim in the eyes of Allah unless it comes from the heart.



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No, religion CAN and IS forced upon people. Just hearken back to the days of the Inquisition in Europe. If you did not submit to Christian doctrine, you could be killed. Today we have Islam forced much in the same way. In fact, you cannot even get to Mecca without saying you are Muslim. You even pointed out honour killings for people who disavow Islam, how is this not manipulating people into at least giving lip service to being Muslim?

The last bit I agree with. What comes from the heart is really all that matters, however, it is impossible for most to tell except for their "fruits".

Originally Posted by OJLeb

Allah SWT is a God for everybody.

Most parents will try to get their children reading the Quran early in their childhood. 2 is a bit young. I started when I was 6, in an Islamic school. Then I moved to public schooling, and have begun studying Islam at a later age. I find it is better in your teen years because you are more mature and smarter.

Now, not all families are the same. That is just my personal experience.

Some families unfortuntely do commit "honour" killings, however this should not be blamed on Islam, but on the ones commiting such acts.

Allah SWT, whatever that is, is not a God for everybody. Not everybody needs or wants that. And should be free to chose so.

Originally Posted by OJLeb

From a Muslims perspective,these two points are what are considered some of the corruption of the OT.

Since we believe the Quran is true word of God, nothing can contradict it. Now, what I mean by true word is that it is literally the words of God spoken to Muhammad (pbuh) by the angel Gabriel.

And here we have it folks. Both books are corrupted. So therefore, how can any follow either.

Originally Posted by montra

You are free to assemble any writings in any particular order you wish, but to rewrite them? No.

Christianity is based on constantines choosing and assembling them leaving out many books. So today's christianity is not the true christinaity IMO.

PS, they have be rewritten as english is not the original written language.

Originally Posted by montra

Why must I believe that Mohammad is God's final messenger? Should I then not listen to you?

You don't have to, unless you are a Muslims.

I do not claim to be a messenger of Allah.

Also, why do they pray 5 times and and not 4 or 6 times a day?

Because Muhammad prayed 5 times a day.

Praying all 5 prayers in a day is how we worship God.

By saying that you must believe in God I assume you mean only one God. As for Moses, it was a God referred to as "I am that I am", but I assume you will insist on him being called "Allah". Either that or the "I am that I am" was also edited by Mohammad.

Allah is an Arabic translation for one God. It is not Gods name. There are 99 names of God in Islam, but these names are all attributes of God.

The charity bit I get, as well as fasting since it is a good way to cleanse your body and mind, but why only during Ramadan?

Charity is not only Ramadhan. Neither is fasting. You can fast and give charity whenever. However fasting during Ramadhan is important in Islam because this is the month when Allah SWT revealed the Quran.

Sorry, but the Hajj seems a bit too ritualistic for my taste. The "holy site" that you must travel to and walk around seems tainted with idolatry.

The Ka'aba was built by Abraham and Ishmael, peace be upon them both. The Pagans filled the Ka'aba with idols, however after Muhammad conquered Mecca they were removed.

Originally Posted by OJLeb

What of St. Paul?

http://www.voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html

http://danizier.wordpress.com/2011/0...sus-and-james/

These are not Muslim sources nor Quranic sources.

What is interesting here is that Paul used to around and persecute and kill Christians in an attempt to kill the religion before his conversion. Then after his conversion he went around healing and helping people before succumbing to the same persecution he dealt out before his conversion and was martyred himself.

Just judging Paul from "the heart", which Paul do you think to be superior?

Originally Posted by OJLeb

You don't have to, unless you are a Muslims.

I do not claim to be a messenger of Allah.



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But you are a messenger because you are a representative like it or not. You are a messenger for the Mohammadic teachings about God.

Originally Posted by dairyair

Allah SWT, whatever that is, is not a God for everybody. Not everybody needs or wants that. And should be free to chose so.

Allah means God. SWT is short for Subhana Wa Ta'ala which means glorified and exalted.

109:1 Say, "O disbelievers,
109:2 I do not worship what you worship.
109:3 Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
109:4 Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
109:5 Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
109:6 For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

That is a surah.