Thread: What do you know about SERVITUDE? (idea from a heretic)

What a question; What do you know about SERVITUDE?


I was raised catholic and when I realized that the rules of religious wingnuts is about as consistent as a kid in a toy store, I realized that the ideology of servitude is not only a moving target by human standard but that often the best examples of anti Christ (against truth) are by the very idiots confessing submission (servitude).


What is a servitude to a belief?

Does it have anything to do with humility?

Heretics talk

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Heretics talk

This ought to become an interesting conversation.... I'll just put in a quick SUBMISSION to this thread. That humility begins within families, within infants and parents. Must not a child submit to the conditioning and structure parents and guardians pass down upon him or her? As children, we have no "CHOICE" except to serve the demands of parents, society, government, institution. It is not until we become older, WISER, full grown MEN, that we can rebel and find "FREEDOM" in life.

So freedom, and choice, are matters of age, wisdom, and rebellion....first against a parent figure, metaphorically and figuratively.

The absolute end of this.....is a rebellion by son against father, as it was between Christ and His Holy Father God. The Son attempts to rebel against His Father's Laws, discipline, structures, ideology, politics, everything.

Originally Posted by Heretic

This ought to become an interesting conversation.... I'll just put in a quick SUBMISSION to this thread.

you asked me a question and i wanted to see what others believe or accept as 'servitude'.


Slaves and idiots serv a master

That humility begins within families, within infants and parents.

each must be humble to learn. Nothing about 'servitude'

Must not a child submit to the conditioning and structure parents and guardians pass down upon him or her?

yes and no. Some parents dont teach their kids much beyond theological beliefs and i am confident with stating that that is child abuse.

As children, we have no "CHOICE" except to serve the demands of parents, society, government, institution. It is not until we become older, WISER, full grown MEN, that we can rebel and find "FREEDOM" in life.

i teach freedom as a rule of conscious life.

i have a choice and so should each child. Parents, you preachers, teachers and gun holders, no one has a right to circumvent freedom.

and if a liar is brainwashing a child, they should have their freedom taken away

So freedom, and choice, are matters of age, wisdom, and rebellion....first against a parent figure, metaphorically and figuratively.

freedom does not mean 'against'

for example; being free to use a medical facility to save a life, versus a religious hocus pocus, is not a 'freedom' but a common sense application of honest benefit to the life that supercedes religious adherances

The absolute end of this.....is a rebellion by son against father, as it was between Christ and His Holy Father God. The Son attempts to rebel against His Father's Laws, discipline, structures, ideology, politics, everything.

the rebellious fools are the idiots that believe that they are not living in the garden. They are the idiots lying to themselves about who, what, when and how 'god' exists.

Going against the religious idiots is not going against god, it is going against the religious idiots that lie out their butts to sustain their beliefs.

God is nature itself, our creator.

Do you have any doubts?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

you asked me a question and i wanted to see what others believe or accept as 'servitude'.


Slaves and idiots serv a master

It's not "idiotic" to learn from somebody who is smarter than you are. So you're wrong about this. It is actually INTELLIGENT to "serve" somebody smarter than you are, because you first recognize a difference in intelligence. You recognize that somebody, another man, may have AUTHORITY over you, in certain areas. For example, if your car broke down, then would you fix it yourself or take it to a mechanic who KNOWS more about cars than you do?

When it comes to the mechanical knowledge, other men may know MORE than you, and display intellectual superiority over you, in this specific case.

When it comes to slavery and mastery, this is a more general case. A son can SERVE his father, and this is GOOD. But if a son serves his father forever, then this is BAD or EVIL. Because a son ought to outgrow, and surpass his father eventually. A son ought to REPLACE the authority of his father. This demonstrates that a slave may overcome his master, someday.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

each must be humble to learn. Nothing about 'servitude'


yes and no. Some parents dont teach their kids much beyond theological beliefs and i am confident with stating that that is child abuse.

Then which lessons could a parent teach a child, that would NOT be "child abuse"?

Essentially, you're kind of saying, that whatever a parent teaches a child, is "child abuse". This is not true. Sometimes parents can be good to their children, as a good master is good to his slaves. There are "good" masters, and "evil" masters. There are good and evil slaves, too.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

i teach freedom as a rule of conscious life.

i have a choice and so should each child. Parents, you preachers, teachers and gun holders, no one has a right to circumvent freedom.

and if a liar is brainwashing a child, they should have their freedom taken away

Some people lie a lot. Some people lie almost never......

Let me finish this response in a minute

Originally Posted by Bishadi

freedom does not mean 'against'

If you are in chains, then you are not free. To become free, you need to move "AGAINST" your chains and bonds. So, you're wrong.

Freedom means AGAINST all resistance.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

for example; being free to use a medical facility to save a life, versus a religious hocus pocus, is not a 'freedom' but a common sense application of honest benefit to the life that supercedes religious adherances

You are free to take a wounded person to a hospital or a voodoo witch doctor. However, one may be a better choice than the other.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

the rebellious fools are the idiots that believe that they are not living in the garden. They are the idiots lying to themselves about who, what, when and how 'god' exists.

Going against the religious idiots is not going against god, it is going against the religious idiots that lie out their butts to sustain their beliefs.

God is nature itself, our creator.

God may not be Nature. God is male and masculine. That's why we refer to God as "HIM" and not "her". Nature is feminine.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Do you have any doubts?

I have an infinite amount of doubts.

Originally Posted by Heretic

It's not "idiotic" to learn from somebody who is smarter than you are. So you're wrong about this. It is actually INTELLIGENT to "serve" somebody smarter than you are, because you first recognize a difference in intelligence. You recognize that somebody, another man, may have AUTHORITY over you, in certain areas. For example, if your car broke down, then would you fix it yourself or take it to a mechanic who KNOWS more about cars than you do?

When it comes to the mechanical knowledge, other men may know MORE than you, and display intellectual superiority over you, in this specific case.

When it comes to slavery and mastery, this is a more general case. A son can SERVE his father, and this is GOOD. But if a son serves his father forever, then this is BAD or EVIL. Because a son ought to outgrow, and surpass his father eventually. A son ought to REPLACE the authority of his father. This demonstrates that a slave may overcome his master, someday.

Why? Because knowledge evolves over time. Truth reveals itself to the good. Words convey knowledge that transcends time thru to the generations.

I can stipulate the next generations are to be better than today's.

Or we all failed.

So I asked, does truth supersede belief?

Then which lessons could a parent teach a child, that would NOT be "child abuse"?

Essentially, you're kind of saying, that whatever a parent teaches a child, is "child abuse". This is not true. Sometimes parents can be good to their children, as a good master is good to his slaves. There are "good" masters, and "evil" masters. There are good and evil slaves, too.

. Good is observed by what the life is doing. The wake they leave.

Good waves support life to continue. Kind of like the child procreating so his family all lives into the next generations. That's a good action to impose to exist, by choice.

Ie... Honor thy ma and pa. Do good! You are them, alive and in the flesh.

Some people lie a lot. Some people lie almost never......

. Is there a misleading item in any of my posts?

You are reading bottom line answers.

Bound to the name of the boss.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

So I asked, does truth supersede belief?

Yes, truth goes beyond belief. No man or woman can ever "BELIEVE" truth. Because truth is unbelievable. It is unimaginable. Man cannot know Truth in its absolute form...because we are finite, mortal, fallible creatures, while GOD is not.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Is there a misleading item in any of my posts?

I don't think so.....

Originally Posted by Heretic

Yes, truth goes beyond belief

Then stop believing that you are incapable.

Leave that bridge to be what was promised, the truth eventually.

That is the reason of 'await'. Magic is/was never an option. It has always been the knowledge.

Which has been evolving since the beginning of the "word".
Mankind has been defining and creating the descriptions (words) over time.

. No man or woman can ever "BELIEVE" truth. Because truth is unbelievable. It is unimaginable. Man cannot know Truth in its absolute form...because we are finite, mortal, fallible creatures, while GOD is not.

I don't think so.....

That discounting of capability is one of the most horrid of theologically bound errors taught and learned of the literature/teachings.

The greats contributed additional material knowledge and information by combining the comprehensible descriptions if the previous generations. Mankind wrote the books. Which means at each layer they were not only standing on the shoulders of giants (the previous material) but added the new insights to be comprehended, that we are all building with now.

Read Gen 3:22

We are capable!