Thread: If Gays Want to Marry Pt. 2

I may be a little older than a lot of the members here, and therefore have seen some very frightening changes. Too many young Catholics are leaning from society that homosexual activity is okay. It most definitely is not. There are two main aspects: The sinfulness of it, and the pyscological disorder.


1) The sinfulness of it is plain and clear from the Bible and the Catechism. Some folks try to distort what the Bible says and cherry-pick what the Catechism says to excuse it, but homosexual sex is inexcusable. This does not mean we should hate homosexuals, but as with any mortal sin, you love the sinner but hate the sin.


2) Same sex attaraction is a disorder, not only accordiong to the Catechism, but according to the American Psychological Association (APA) for most of its history, until recently.


For some folks though, this disorder is now the "non-disorder formerly known as disorder." It was a disorder in the DSM I and II published by the APA. But in the last publication, DSM IV, it was removed as a disorder. Why?


Protests by gay rights activists against the APA began in 1970 when the organization held its convention in San Francisco. The activists disrupted the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, gay rights activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you." To put is bluntly, the American Psychological Association buckled and caved to protestors, and therefore have no legitimacy now.


So the APA can be, and is, wrong. The current APA thinks that they were "wrong back then," and "right now." But certainly, the opposite can be true, that is was right back then and wrong now. I think that they were right before and wrong now because they now fear liberal retaliation and politcial correctness that did not exist before.

Conspiracy!

Originally Posted by GraspingforPeace

I've never heard of "gay leaders" before.

Check the Valley of the Sun (hell) and out side of tucson (pinal co), Mayer Guilliano of Tempe and the Sheriff of Pinal county i believe, some bald dude that likes the latino boys. With all the handcuffs and bars, i bet he is just the kinkiest naughty boy.

Remember sex is what drives the homosexual PREFERNCE and in a human capacity, is the choice the mind makes.

The whole homosexual marriage (oxymoron of terms) issue, is not about Love, rights and what is right. It's about the fight.

This issue is so old and crusty.

If gays like to play husband and wife, then let him, but no financial benefits for households without children. And when the predators (sandusky) get busted, put a glass rod in his winkie and break it.

i would bet if rape and pedophilia was dealt with harshly, so would the same sex bias (manmade 'creations') in our next generations.


ie...... most same sex folk are victims of something, and it is sad that the confusions are so twisted, that now people have learned to believe that gender is not the indicator of the 'sexual orientation' of a biological life.

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

I may be a little older than a lot of the members here, and therefore have seen some very frightening changes. Too many young Catholics are leaning from society that homosexual activity is okay. It most definitely is not. There are two main aspects: The sinfulness of it, and the pyscological disorder.


1) The sinfulness of it is plain and clear from the Bible and the Catechism. Some folks try to distort what the Bible says and cherry-pick what the Catechism says to excuse it, but homosexual sex is inexcusable. This does not mean we should hate homosexuals, but as with any mortal sin, you love the sinner but hate the sin.


2) Same sex attaraction is a disorder, not only accordiong to the Catechism, but according to the American Psychological Association (APA) for most of its history, until recently.


For some folks though, this disorder is now the "non-disorder formerly known as disorder." It was a disorder in the DSM I and II published by the APA. But in the last publication, DSM IV, it was removed as a disorder. Why?


Protests by gay rights activists against the APA began in 1970 when the organization held its convention in San Francisco. The activists disrupted the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, gay rights activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you." To put is bluntly, the American Psychological Association buckled and caved to protestors, and therefore have no legitimacy now.


So the APA can be, and is, wrong. The current APA thinks that they were "wrong back then," and "right now." But certainly, the opposite can be true, that is was right back then and wrong now. I think that they were right before and wrong now because they now fear liberal retaliation and politcial correctness that did not exist before.

I couldn't care less about what your religion says about homosexuals. This is a secular nation, where we don't make our laws based upon religion. And many other groups as well have said that Homosexuality isn't a disorder, and can not be changed.

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

I may be a little older than a lot of the members here, and therefore have seen some very frightening changes. Too many young Catholics are leaning from society that homosexual activity is okay. It most definitely is not. There are two main aspects: The sinfulness of it, and the pyscological disorder.


1) The sinfulness of it is plain and clear from the Bible and the Catechism. Some folks try to distort what the Bible says and cherry-pick what the Catechism says to excuse it, but homosexual sex is inexcusable. This does not mean we should hate homosexuals, but as with any mortal sin, you love the sinner but hate the sin.


2) Same sex attaraction is a disorder, not only accordiong to the Catechism, but according to the American Psychological Association (APA) for most of its history, until recently.


For some folks though, this disorder is now the "non-disorder formerly known as disorder." It was a disorder in the DSM I and II published by the APA. But in the last publication, DSM IV, it was removed as a disorder. Why?


Protests by gay rights activists against the APA began in 1970 when the organization held its convention in San Francisco. The activists disrupted the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, gay rights activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you." To put is bluntly, the American Psychological Association buckled and caved to protestors, and therefore have no legitimacy now.


So the APA can be, and is, wrong. The current APA thinks that they were "wrong back then," and "right now." But certainly, the opposite can be true, that is was right back then and wrong now. I think that they were right before and wrong now because they now fear liberal retaliation and politcial correctness that did not exist before.

catholocism and the gay community are intimately interwoven

Originally Posted by Kranes56

I couldn't care less about what your religion says about homosexuals. This is a secular nation, where we don't make our laws based upon religion. And many other groups as well have said that Homosexuality isn't a disorder, and can not be changed.

do you wanna argue this?

homosexual preference is a choice. the illness part is that people are starting to believe it is normal.

them biological parts are biologically for f'ing which is for procreating, biologically speaking.

anything else is man-made usage of the tools.

Could you imagine if human beings were double jointed in the back and could do ourselves, orally? The catering industry would be the "home depot" cuz a huge part of the population would not leave the house.

mankind is perverted as the instinct to procreate is built in. Cell division thru to making babies is a part of nature.

in thru the out door, is fun, right!?!?!?

anyone know the term 'lucky pierre'?

The part y'all still don't seem to understand is that not everyone gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what your sky tyrant thinks.

Originally Posted by The Real American Thinker

The part y'all still don't seem to understand is that not everyone gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what your sky tyrant thinks.

so that is why the thread is on the religious section, you want to fight with wingnuts and their beliefs...?!?

i like the biological side of the argument cuz then there is no doubt as it then becomes common sense to put the ignorance in the trash.

homosexual actions are the choice of self indulgences.

a life not procreating, just slits its own throat. (think cell division, biologically speaking on life that iis)

It is why, legally, philosophically, religiously, medically, biological and logically, the whole homosexual marriage, sexual activity and crap about it all being of love, can be flushed down the toilet, the mess is a crock based on twisting up the facts.

You measure: there are more children born with a cleft palet, than hermaprodite and we dont cut everyone elses lip to make them feel good about themselves, we assist in compassion as human beings.


people aint born gay as many have been led to believe, they learn it

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so that is why the thread is on the religious section, you want to fight with wingnuts and their beliefs...?!?[/quotes]

No, it's here because the first thread was here.

homosexual actions are the choice of self indulgences.

What about all the same-sex couples out there that DON'T have sex?

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

Oh, in that case: You are overtuning over 200 years of American law and 2000 years of western civilation law. All so that you can let people who suffer from a disorder indulge their perversions.

actually, marriage has only legally been limitted to a man and a woman since the 1970's. no such limitation existed prior to that.