Thread: God or Jesus ?

Originally Posted by Foolardi

I am seriously thinking that If I was forced to choose I'd have to say God.
Being raised a diehard Catholic,I also studied Theolgy in Catholic Prep School.
The Eastern religions and well as many Theologians and Philosophers.I actually
consider myself a sort of novice Philosopher.
I respect the Jewish Faith more so than Bible-thumping Southern Baptists.
Because Jewish Rabbi's are far more knowledgable and reaching in their ability
to interpret God and his Dominion.I sometimes weary towards Jesus freaks.
Jesus freaks or those Protestant faiths who dwell exclusively in the Bible
are not rational at times.I need the rationality of a Saint Thomas Acquinas or
Augustian. Immensely great thinkers of Christlike Grace within humanity.
I now believe that God is foremost with regards to worship over Jesus.
Like The Jewish faith has always held.God is Creator and hence created his own Son.
Jesus did not Create the earth.Or the heavens.Or the Universe.
Jesus helped to create an understanding on Earth as to how magnificient and
ALL Powerful the Father of all Fathers or God was,is and shall remain forevermore.

The Rabbi fail.

They failed in 32AD to even recognize that their own expected Elijah had returned as promised.
They failed to acknowledge that a man who never died, according to their own scriptures, came back after an absence of 800 years.

That is a pretty big "fail."

The Rabbi MUST have mmisunderstood the bible, and then they compounded that by writing a Talmud which has replaced the bible to the extent that the Talmud tells Jews what the bible is supposed to mean.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

perhaps best for you

as i will crush just about any liar~

Well no, you are ead wrong, especially since Islam really messed up in accepting the interpretations of scripture set down by Muhammed.

Muhammed just could not get his head aound the Trinity idea which the preachers from Rome were telling the Arabs about back there in 622AD.
Of course, those preachers, like the same ones today, are hard to understand.

Butstill, Muhammed got it wrong, then the political machinery jumped in and used what Muhammed said to stop the Christian evangeklism.
The politicians saw all Rome fall under the control of Christianity, and they realized this was a psychological invasion by the swarms of locust that were rushing into Arabia and building congregations and churches.

So Muhammed used the confusion about the Trinity to stop them.

He made everyone cry out "Allah is one" evr day five times so as to under cut the Trinity story.

Very very effect, but a lie.


If the preachers had first said Christ was the personification of the ideal of Truth as opposed to Satan's lies, the trinity woulkd have been clear.

Truth is the son-of-the creator God,
Truth is the image in the mind of what actually exists.

Truth does have a father in the ever unfolding Reality that we all must bow down to or suffer insanity.

Truth is in the father, reality, and the facts of Reality are in the son, called Truth.

Allah is NOT exactly "one," because the Truth is man's copy of the Reality external to himself.

Originally Posted by cupid dave

The Rabbi fail.

They failed in 32AD to even recognize that their own expected Elijah had returned as promised.
They failed to acknowledge that a man who never died, according to their own scriptures, came back after an absence of 800 years.

That is a pretty big "fail."

The Rabbi MUST have mmisunderstood the bible, and then they compounded that by writing a Talmud which has replaced the bible to the extent that the Talmud tells Jews what the bible is supposed to mean.

If you "return" to earth as a newborn, that aint someone who never died.

Besides, John the baptist aint Elijah, he just came in the "spirit and power of Elijah."


That might be confusing to some, since Jesus tells us on at least 3 occassions that John IS Elijah.


And I don't think you understand the timeline on when the bible was written, son.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

You should study the Bible.....here are scriptures showing that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament.

It was Jesus who created all things.

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OMG What a load of tosh. Jesus is dead - .
Tell me what sort of god would allow a bunch of his own creatures to flog him through the streets and then nail him to a cross ?

btw - If your Jesus really cheated death + resurrected, then so did - The King - Elvis Presley.

.. LOL

Originally Posted by Marlowe

OMG What a load of tosh. Jesus is dead - .
Tell me what sort of god would allow a bunch of his own creatures to flog him through the streets and then nail him to a cross ?

btw - If your Jesus really cheated death + resurrected, then so did - The King - Elvis Presley.

.. LOL

I'm not going give pearls to swine.

Originally Posted by cupid dave

Well no, you are ead wrong, especially since Islam really messed up in accepting the interpretations of scripture set down by Muhammed.

what does mojamming mojammed have to do with this thread.

Muhammed just could not get his head aound the Trinity idea which the preachers from Rome were telling the Arabs about back there in 622AD.

christians dont comprehend the trinity let alone you trying to tell this forum that you are aware of muhammeds thoughts on the matter

the trinity are of 'mass' (elements), energy (light/em) and time. See E=mc2 for the idea. ie.... mass; energy affixed in time

Of course, those preachers, like the same ones today, are hard to understand.

cant understand why people pay them preachers to lie to them

Butstill, Muhammed got it wrong, then the political machinery jumped in and used what Muhammed said to stop the Christian evangeklism.

political machinery?


fricken hilarious

The politicians saw all Rome fall under the control of Christianity, and they realized this was a psychological invasion by the swarms of locust that were rushing into Arabia and building congregations and churches.

now you know what the politician "saw" and the psychology behind the invasion??!?!? Priceless.

So Muhammed used the confusion about the Trinity to stop them.

that's almost as funny as walking around a wall, with an ark and the wall supposed falls down, by god

He made everyone cry out "Allah is one" evr day five times so as to under cut the Trinity story.

the chanting crap is weird, i know.

what cracks me up is the muslims, chant over loud speakers. And in palestine, the dome of the rock is under muslim control, right in the middle of jerusalem and 5 times a day they blast them prayers over the whole area

and not a dam thing anyone can do about it.

it is the funniest thing in the world to comprehend. The bigots of sissy ville, surround and take jerusalem, the UN Res 476,478 tell them pukes its against the law, they primarily want the mount (dome sites on it) and yet the punks with curlers in their hair can do a dam thing but shut up and whine, while the utter morons are kissing the dirt 5 times a day, while listen to some goof moan about .... alah....


i consider all mass, all energy, all time, the universe itself. ie..... god is 'all ah it' as one

Very very effect, but a lie.

better than idiots that claim a god died for their sins and if you dont believe he died, you get to die in a hell forever.

If the preachers had first said Christ was the personification of the ideal of Truth as opposed to Satan's lies, the trinity woulkd have been clear.

i like that.

Basically, if idiots would shut up and listen, anyone could comprehend the trinity (mass, energy, time) and start clearing up the lies of lying so b's that claim jesus was me.

Truth is the son-of-the creator God,

truth are renditions of reality

Truth is the image in the mind of what actually exists.

shut up.

if that was the case then you would know who i am, already

Truth does have a father in the ever unfolding Reality that we all must bow down to or suffer insanity.

stupid claim

Truth is in the father, reality, and the facts of Reality are in the son, called Truth.

another quackery

we are all sons/daughters of god (nature itself).

Allah is NOT exactly "one," because the Truth is man's copy of the Reality external to himself.

nature (god itself) is the ONE. If you wanna call it 'all ah it', i could care less.

but the day the morons began believing they are separate from nature, they left 'god' by choice, but never could even by choice

Originally Posted by truthvigilante

Humans invariably discount something if it don't make sense! An egg has an albumin, yolk and shell....which we call an egg!

if god = everything

then god = albumin, yolk and shell and everything else including you and me cause we are part of everything, were all connected


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Originally Posted by FreshAir

if god = everything

then god = albumin, yolk and shell and everything else including you and me cause we are part of everything, were all connected


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absolutely Beautiful

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice and follow me." So those who follow what men teach will not hear Jesus' voice just as the religious men in Jesus' day could not understood and hated Him and His words.......they thought they knew the truth because they were educated in the law, yet they failed to recognized the very God who gave them the Ten Commandments and who lead there forefather's out of Egypt.

Paul said that God had nothing to do with the law. Therefore God didn't give anyone the Ten Commandments.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

You should study the Bible.....here are scriptures showing that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament.

It was Jesus who created all things.

Colossians 1:12-16 (KJV)
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All things were made by Jesus who is called the Word.

John 1:1-14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Do you know why Jesus is called the Word?

Jesus likens Himself to a hen who gathers her chicks but He said they were not willing.

Matthew 23:37 (NKJV)
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Jesus was the one that took cared of the Children of Israel.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 (ASV)
1 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 and did all eat the same spiritual food;
4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: and the rock was Christ.

Don't you think that a gkuy who created a god would also give his god all sorts of powers and tie him into history in order to make him special? Therefore, writing stories about how some guy did all sorts of deeds in the distant past isn't based upon reality. It's based upon imagination.