Thread: Has anyone noticed...?

That even to this day, people actually believe their religion is where to get moral values.

Is compassion, not normal?

No stealing

No murder

No lying

and no doing your neighbors dog, in public.


All good morals and nothing to do with religion.

Heck even the 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.................. that aint christian, that is Confucius or even egyptian. The commands existed well before the christian of jewish literature, within the egyptian works. Maybe the pagen gods gave us the morals and the utter god stold them?

Is it parents that made the lie that morals are from 'god' or just the preachers brain washing people?
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Having a monopoly on morals puts them on the moral high ground and thus makes it easier for them to buy into their own BS

Originally Posted by Forseti

Having a monopoly on morals puts them on the moral high ground and thus makes it easier for them to buy into their own BS

jesus, is that you?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

jesus, is that you?

Yes, yes it is me. Follow my every word without question or burn in hell for all eternity.

Originally Posted by Forseti

Yes, yes it is me. Follow my every word without question or burn in hell for all eternity.

and it was I that opened up the thread:

Has anyone noticed..................?


please save us all.............. oh mighty salame!

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Is compassion, not normal?

My God, what world are you living in? Most people have limited compassion. The strife that they understand they have compassion for. But things outside their understanding are often scoffed at. I am a man with long hair, have a wife that does not wear a bra, I listen to Heavy Metal and love Dungeons & Dragons, I also have CFS and Fibro... and I have been the target so shallow superficial judgment all my life. So no, my experience is that compassion is not normal outside of what we understand. In our society, by in large, if someone is different they are marginalizes or outright ostracized for no good reason other than they are different.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

All good morals and nothing to do with religion.

I disagree. I am not a Christian, but I went to College with a Mormon man. For 4 years he invited myself and others into his home to play XBOX... er... I mean study. I got to know his wife and children very well and can say in complete confidence that their Religious beliefs were the central and guiding force in their lives... and it showed. They were all genuinely happy, loved life, their God, and each other immensely. Their morality was based upon their Religion... and to this day they all have my most profound respect.

Now if you have read many of my posts on this forum, then you could easily get the impression that I hate Christians... and I do not. I respect Christianity, but do not like most Christians. I would hate all Christians, except every once in a while I run into what I call a "Real Christan" like my old college buddy that reminds me that some Christians morality is actually guided by their belief in their God. They practice what they preach. In all the years I have know my Mormon friend, he has never tried to save me... to convert me. I like to believe that he understands that people come to God on their own time and own terms. I am sure if I ever decided to become Christian that he would be there to help me.

Good morals come from many sources.

Originally Posted by robini123

My God, what world are you living in? Most people have limited compassion. The strife that they understand they have compassion for. But things outside their understanding are often scoffed at. I am a man with long hair, have a wife that does not wear a bra, I listen to Heavy Metal and love Dungeons & Dragons, I also have CFS and Fibro... and I have been the target so shallow superficial judgment all my life. So no, my experience is that compassion is not normal outside of what we understand. In our society, by in large, if someone is different they are marginalizes or outright ostracized for no good reason other than they are different.

you described me, bro.

but you forgot to answer the question with a clean approach. I asked if we all know compassion and even to point at hilter, we all have to say, "well yea the guy rubbed against the word, sometime in his life."

the defining of the term is pretty simple, the definitions it is used in very widely. I mean, giving any humans the right to take over palestine because of what happened in ww2 and having to uproot millions, for a belief, is not 'compassion' in the true sense of the word

I disagree. I am not a Christian, but I went to College with a Mormon man. For 4 years he invited myself and others into his home to play XBOX... er... I mean study. I got to know his wife and children very well and can say in complete confidence that their Religious beliefs were the central and guiding force in their lives... and it showed. They were all genuinely happy, loved life, their God, and each other immensely. Their morality was based upon their Religion... and to this day they all have my most profound respect.

why is their morality different than, the tribes of the american indians or even the followers of the the confucius philosophies?

Heck, egypt had the commands, in print at the entrance of their lands on stone tablets, a couple thousand years before any torah

is plagerism a quality moral obligation

is telling your children that the book of mormon is the word of god and that the president of the mormon church is a saint, a good quality moral adherance?

Now if you have read many of my posts on this forum, then you could easily get the impression that I hate Christians... and I do not. I respect Christianity, but do not like most Christians. I would hate all Christians, except every once in a while I run into what I call a "Real Christan" like my old college buddy that reminds me that some Christians morality is actually guided by their belief in their God. They practice what they preach. In all the years I have know my Mormon friend, he has never tried to save me... to convert me. I like to believe that he understands that people come to God on their own time and own terms. I am sure if I ever decided to become Christian that he would be there to help me.

Good morals come from many sources.

the last statement was quality

morals are not just of religion. Cultures offer greater moral standards, than religious adherance.

Religions will cause more people to break moral obligations, than any single submission a human being can undertake!

Originally Posted by Bishadi

why is their morality different than, the tribes of the american indians or even the followers of the the confucius philosophies?

I think each group whether it be Mormons, American Indians or Confucianism or any other theology are guided by their own moral compass. So yes, morality from group to group can be different in some ways.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

is telling your children that the book of mormon is the word of god and that the president of the mormon church is a saint, a good quality moral adherance?

Subjective isn't it? I suspect a Mormon would say yes, while a Catholic would say no.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

morals are not just of religion. Cultures offer greater moral standards, than religious adherance.

IMO morals are not just of religion. But on the flip side, most cultures are built around a religion to some degree.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Religions will cause more people to break moral obligations, than any single submission a human being can undertake!

Perhaps. But I would say that their morals are being refocused and redefined rather than broke.

Originally Posted by Forseti

Yes, yes it is me. Follow my every word without question or burn in hell for all eternity.

You forgot to add, "and even if your follow my word to the letter and live as good a life as possible, I also want you to bow down to me and worship me, or I'll send you to hell anyway"

Originally Posted by Bishadi

That even to this day, people actually believe their religion is where to get moral values.

Is compassion, not normal?

No stealing

No murder

No lying

and no doing your neighbors dog, in public.


All good morals and nothing to do with religion.

Heck even the 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.................. that aint christian, that is Confucius or even egyptian. The commands existed well before the christian of jewish literature, within the egyptian works. Maybe the pagen gods gave us the morals and the utter god stold them?

Is it parents that made the lie that morals are from 'god' or just the preachers brain washing people?
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Not if you believe all religions and societies are a derivative from the old testament, which you will find most religions are, or are they??????