Thread: Homoesxuality in the NT

Ahh...Leviticus, the point where I stopped reading.

It was also the point where it became so clear that the concept of mythology was not lost on the Jews.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Depends on the translation and how you use it to fit your views.

Perhaps you did not read the article in the OP?

I'm not a fan of translating the Bible everytime I read it. The ideas are constant. So the only thing anyone has to do is ether accept or reject them.

When it comes to sex in the Bible the Ace of Spades is Matthew 19:11-12 (NKJV)= 11 But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12 For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

Notice the emphasis on celibacy for religious reasons. It's touted as being the ideal state. Consequently it's difficult, if not impossible, using that criteria to sanction homosexual acts for people who profess to be biblically religious. That's because it goes against one of the fundamental principles.

That's not to say that homosexuality or any other sexual act is wrong. They are all part of our human nature, whatever they might be. But they are against the rules established in the Bible and some other religious texts. Therefore a person can't really say that he's a true belever if he engages in such behavior. It would be the same if he was a serial killer. The behavior breaks the rules.

Some religions had temple prostitutes. Under their rules it was probably a sin not to use them. The point is that if anyone wants to be considered a believer in any cult or religion then he should know the rules and follow them without whining. The option is to start a new cult or religion with rules that allow people to do exactly what they want to do.

The bottom line: homosexual acts are banned in Christianity.

Originally Posted by tkolter

Paul was NOT a disciple of Jesus and was not even near Jesus as a hangers-on if the Bible accounts are true he hunted Christians and coverted, he has much standing to make a position as a televangelist or common minister now its an opinion not based on even knowing Jesus.

This thread is about the Bible, not whether or not Paul was a good spokesperson for Jesus.

Originally Posted by RedRepublic

Nobody here is arguing that the bible advocates homosexuality.
They're trying to say that the bible is either indifferent towards it or doesn't really address it.

Things are rarely black and white issues.

The Bible does address homosexuality in the new testament in several verses and says that it is sinful.

Originally Posted by SpaceCricket79

The Bible does address homosexuality in the new testament in several verses and says that it is sinful.

Um... nope.

Those are men stating that it is sinful. Not God. God was strangely silent on the issue.

Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd

I'm not a fan of translating the Bible everytime I read it. The ideas are constant. So the only thing anyone has to do is ether accept or reject them.

When it comes to sex in the Bible the Ace of Spades is Matthew 19:11-12 (NKJV)= 11 But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12 For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

Notice the emphasis on celibacy for religious reasons. It's touted as being the ideal state. Consequently it's difficult, if not impossible, using that criteria to sanction homosexual acts for people who profess to be biblically religious. That's because it goes against one of the fundamental principles.

That's not to say that homosexuality or any other sexual act is wrong. They are all part of our human nature, whatever they might be. But they are against the rules established in the Bible and some other religious texts. Therefore a person can't really say that he's a true belever if he engages in such behavior. It would be the same if he was a serial killer. The behavior breaks the rules.

Some religions had temple prostitutes. Under their rules it was probably a sin not to use them. The point is that if anyone wants to be considered a believer in any cult or religion then he should know the rules and follow them without whining. The option is to start a new cult or religion with rules that allow people to do exactly what they want to do.

The bottom line: homosexual acts are banned in Christianity.

Not any more than other unwed sexual intercourse.

The Bible is pretty clear about the role of sexuality in our lives. And yes, promiscuity of any kind is sinful.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that devaluing people into nothing more then vessels for your own selfish sexual release is inherently degrading. People may, in this age, do it all the time. I would challenge anyone to say that this behavior has not had any negative effects however.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Um... nope.

Those are men stating that it is sinful. Not God. God was strangely silent on the issue.

And you are a man stating that it is not sinful. What makes your opinion any better than the opinion of another person?

Originally Posted by Incorporeal

And you are a man stating that it is not sinful. What makes your opinion any better than the opinion of another person?

Where am I making that claim? Are you looking for another semantics debate?

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

Nothing.

Case closed.

Jesus was into 'young men' before the editors got a hold of the scriptures...

Check this out. When you see it, well, bricks shall be shat:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...ion-young.html
14:43 [24] And immediately -- while he is yet speaking -- cometh near Judas, one of the twelve, and with him a great multitude, with swords and sticks, from the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders;

14:44 [21] and he who is delivering him up had given a token to them, saying, `Whomsoever I shall kiss, he it is, lay hold on him, and lead him away safely,'

14:45 [24] and having come, immediately, having gone near him, he saith, `Rabbi, Rabbi,' and kissed him.

14:46 [25] And they laid on him their hands, and kept hold on him;

14:47 [20] and a certain one of those standing by, having drawn the sword, struck the servant of the chief priest, and took off his ear.

14:48 [18] And Jesus answering said to them, `As against a robber ye came out, with swords and sticks, to take me!

14:49 [19] daily I was with you in the temple teaching, and ye did not lay hold on me -- but that the Writings may be fulfilled.'

14:50 [22] And having left him they all fled;

14:51 [17] and a certain young man was following him, having put a linen cloth about [his] naked body, and the young men lay hold on him,

14:52 [17] and he, having left the linen cloth, did flee from them naked.

14:53 [24] And they led away Jesus unto the chief priest, and come together to him do all the chief priests, and the elders, and the scribes;

14:54 [16] and Peter afar off did follow him, to the inside of the hall of the chief priest, and he was sitting with the officers, and warming himself near the fire.

14:55 [12] And the chief priests and all the sanhedrim were seeking against Jesus testimony -- to put him to death, and they were not finding,

14:56 [12] for many were bearing false testimony against him, and their testimonies were not alike.