Thread: Correlation between atheism and liberalism

Originally Posted by montra

My point here is that God gave us freedom, it is man who wishes to take it from us.

In fact, Christ compared slavery to sin. People continue in it even though they may hate themselves for it and wished they could stop.

Yes, if you do not follow 'god's' way, you will be cast into a lake of fire for eternity. Yep thats freedom.

Originally Posted by montra

My point here is that God gave us freedom, it is man who wishes to take it from us.

In fact, Christ compared slavery to sin. People continue in it even though they may hate themselves for it and wished they could stop.

I'm confused here. My original post was about how the (lack of) command structure of Protestantism led to licentiousness, which is what you're accusing atheism and liberals of.

If anything such a lack of structure gives too much freedom. Because of original sin we cannot have the absolute freedom we had in the Garden. That is why a government is required according to Catholic and Protestant theologians.

Originally Posted by angrynadya

I'm confused here. My original post was about how the (lack of) command structure of Protestantism led to licentiousness, which is what you're accusing atheism and liberals of.

If anything such a lack of structure gives too much freedom. Because of original sin we cannot have the absolute freedom we had in the Garden. That is why a government is required according to Catholic and Protestant theologians.

Really. Lets look at the government that was set up by God for the Israeli nation. They had jugdes to settle disputes among the people........................ .............................. ....then they demanded a king so as to be like all the other nations. Samuel warned the people of this goal as God told them the abuses they would incur once their dream was realized. The people did not relent and so they wound up with Saul. The rest is history.

I think most people choose a political "side" based on social issues, which are far easier to understand than financial/economic issues. Socially conservative people vote republican and argue in favor of conservative fiscal policy even though few know much about economics. Those are the ones who I say "Got lucky." These are the conservatives who claim that conservative principles are "common sense" even though a (somewhat) formal education about economics is absolutely required to truly embrace conservative economic principles. Their idea of common sense is, "I'm right and it should be obvious to everyone."

Naturally, the more intelligent people are initially repelled by this vast and loud ignoramus branch of the conservative movement, and, since they neither hate, nor wish to limit the freedoms of people different from them, naturally become socially liberal. In the name of expedience, they also by and large adopt the liberal economic viewpoints as well. Remember, since so few people become educated about economics in our government-run school system, economic beliefs can basically be drawn from a hat. And indeed, the vast majority of people randomly pick the economic views which happen to be associated with their social views. This is how you have such a high number of liberal atheists.

If economics was taught in elementary school and up, as it should be, the number of conservative atheists would skyrocket. Liberal atheists just haven't learned about economics yet. And once they do, they will be pleased that the majority of idiots in the U.S. correctly identify with conservative economic policy, just by sheer coincidence.

Atheists, realize that it's very important to first get idiots to vote republican for some bs reasons, like religion or social issues; since we can count on the smart people to learn economics and vote republican even without bs wedge issues.

Originally Posted by Durandal

Exactly. It's just when they start pointing to their fairytales in order to justify policy decisions that I for one get POed..

This nails it. If I didn't have to deal with people using their religion as the justification for one stupid policy after another, I wouldn't have to get so annoyed with religious people. If religious people recognized that their religion is their choice, and kept it personal or within their own social circles, we could all get along nicely. Unfortunately for some religious folks(not all), their firm belief in their religious stories ends up turning them into self-righteous arses who feel like they are doing the work of a fabricated God and agenda, and the opposition to them by sane individuals only convinces them of the need for their bogus laws even more.

You get religion out of politics, and I bet you'd find the favorability ratings for religion would skyrocket. It's one thing to be tolerant and respectful of people's fairy tale beliefs, but quite another to tolerate them when they are being obnoxious about it and trying to impose their stories on those who don't even believe in them.

Atheists believe in evolution and not only the evolution of species but also of societies , politics and in general everything.
Looking evolution as the driving force behind change the average atheist see no reason to conserve because change is inevitable as it is scary and challenging and terrible and exciting . Atheists can take the heat of all this while other people can not.

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

This nails it. If I didn't have to deal with people using their religion as the justification for one stupid policy after another, I wouldn't have to get so annoyed with religious people. If religious people recognized that their religion is their choice, and kept it personal or within their own social circles, we could all get along nicely. Unfortunately for some religious folks(not all), their firm belief in their religious stories ends up turning them into self-righteous arses who feel like they are doing the work of a fabricated God and agenda, and the opposition to them by sane individuals only convinces them of the need for their bogus laws even more.

You get religion out of politics, and I bet you'd find the favorability ratings for religion would skyrocket. It's one thing to be tolerant and respectful of people's fairy tale beliefs, but quite another to tolerate them when they are being obnoxious about it and trying to impose their stories on those who don't even believe in them.

Don't sweat it. They are being manipulated for the greater good. I can handle gays not being able to get married if the Christers are at least voting to maintain our economic freedoms. Call me crazy, but I'm not going to let the liberals destroy our way of life with their anti-capitalist BS just so gays can get married. I don't see how they can be stopped anyway. Walk down an aisle and have a friend pronounce you husband and husband. BINGO. You're married. Who cares if the oppressive governments don't recognize it? You'll know it's true, in your heart.

So stop trying to ruin our society by mixing social and economic policy. You can get married, I just told you how. Now it's okay to vote republican.

Originally Posted by mutmekep

Atheists believe in evolution and not only the evolution of species but also of societies , politics and in general everything.
Looking evolution as the driving force behind change the average atheist see no reason to conserve because change is inevitable as it is scary and challenging and terrible and exciting . Atheists can take the heat of all this while other people can not.

In evolution, those traits which tend to aid in survival are passed along to future generations, while those inhibiting survival tend not to be passed down.

Think about how capitalism has survived and communism, by and large, has not. No atheist should want to change things for the sake of change itself. Study economics and start the first day believing that this is the most important subject you will ever learn.

Originally Posted by MAYTAG

In evolution, those traits which tend to aid in survival are passed along to future generations, while those inhibiting survival tend not to be passed down.

Yes and no , the mechanism is a bit more complex like individuals with higher survival rates are more probable to spread their genes .

Originally Posted by MAYTAG

Think about how capitalism has survived and communism, by and large, has not. No atheist should want to change things for the sake of change itself. Study economics and start the first day believing that this is the most important subject you will ever learn.

Economics are not the most important subject and i doubt it is even important. What we have today is not capitalism for the simple fact that in capitalism whenever you buy something you own it and this is not the case in Europe! i can expand but this isn't a thread about economics.
Communism has not be defeated it just proven to be incompatible with the current state of affairs .

Atheists do not change things we are only expecting things to change so we do nothing to prevent change this is what conservatives do.

Originally Posted by MAYTAG

I think most people choose a political "side" based on social issues, which are far easier to understand than financial/economic issues. Socially conservative people vote republican and argue in favor of conservative fiscal policy even though few know much about economics. Those are the ones who I say "Got lucky." These are the conservatives who claim that conservative principles are "common sense" even though a (somewhat) formal education about economics is absolutely required to truly embrace conservative economic principles. Their idea of common sense is, "I'm right and it should be obvious to everyone."

Naturally, the more intelligent people are initially repelled by this vast and loud ignoramus branch of the conservative movement, and, since they neither hate, nor wish to limit the freedoms of people different from them, naturally become socially liberal. In the name of expedience, they also by and large adopt the liberal economic viewpoints as well. Remember, since so few people become educated about economics in our government-run school system, economic beliefs can basically be drawn from a hat. And indeed, the vast majority of people randomly pick the economic views which happen to be associated with their social views. This is how you have such a high number of liberal atheists.

If economics was taught in elementary school and up, as it should be, the number of conservative atheists would skyrocket. Liberal atheists just haven't learned about economics yet. And once they do, they will be pleased that the majority of idiots in the U.S. correctly identify with conservative economic policy, just by sheer coincidence.

Atheists, realize that it's very important to first get idiots to vote republican for some bs reasons, like religion or social issues; since we can count on the smart people to learn economics and vote republican even without bs wedge issues.

This is just a thinly disguised agenda driven post. Highly educated enonomists come down on both sides of the spectrum in their economic positions. You are revealing yourself as one of those that have simply chosen a side and doesn't acknowledge the complexities that cause economic professionals to come to differing conclusions.