God particle discovery is a win for science over superstition

**Anobsitar** · Jul 16 2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Swensson

I wasn't discussing from where anyone gets their respect, I was challenging your questioning of whether or not abortion doctors such as George Tiller are doctors. You made some claim up about them not being doctors unless they are healers, which I challenged.

George Tiller's job was to be a Medical director, a job description which includes leadership and oversight rather than direct healing. Even so, physicians often kill things like parasites or bacteria,

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which means that your assertion that there should be no killing is false.

What's wrong with your brainware?

The obvious objection to that, the assertion that foetuses are humans is what I believe the meat of the issue to be.

It is my belief that his actions are based on a belief that foetuses are not humans, which is unrelated to whether or not whether or not his job is to be a healer.

No one who is a natural scientist can believe that this

is not a human being. And to kill innocent human beings is in nearly all cases a completly wrong decision.

http://youtu.be/gosY-UrpHcA

**Never Left** · Jul 16 2012, 09:27 AM

There is a great deal of effort to derail this thread with off topic irrelevance and banal arguments that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Higgs Boson or ultimate creation.

**Anobsitar** · Jul 16 2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by thebrucebeat

Wherever two or three gather in My name, there shall I be in the midst of them.

No church necessary, according to Christ. Are you a higher authority?

If 2 or 3 people are playing poker then they are playing poker - and if they like to tell everyone nonsense then they are calling themselve "poker-church".

http://youtu.be/ic4PQ-tnwJw

**rstones199** · Jul 16 2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Never Left

They make no such claim. They wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit who is God.

ya ok

**thebrucebeat** · Jul 16 2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anobsitar

¿Messianic Christians? ... is this something like americanic Americans? ... whatever ... no information about such a group of people available here.

To try to kill a mass-murderer because someone likes to stop mass-murder (completly independent wether this is a good idea or not or wether this is real or not) is understandable from a christian point of view - to do this in a church during mass is not understandable. The man who did so was not a Christian.

http://youtu.be/P303RAlU6KI

But the man himself disagrees with you, and you have brought no proof otherwise. Just your defensive decision to try to protect your faith from the shame of what it can lead to, in the extreme.

**thebrucebeat** · Jul 16 2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anobsitar

If 2 or 3 people are playing poker then they are playing poker - and if they like to tell everyone nonsense then they are calling themselve "poker-church".

http://youtu.be/ic4PQ-tnwJw

But it they gather in Christ's name, He is there.

**Anobsitar** · Jul 16 2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by thebrucebeat

... Next defense?

The man is not a Christian and abortion is in nearly all cases wrong - that's all.

http://youtu.be/QYtIcg6-Rgw

**Anobsitar** · Jul 16 2012, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by thebrucebeat

But it they gather in Christ's name, He is there.

You are not able to be a one of this 2 or 3 humen beings. That's maybe your problem.

http://youtu.be/S5UmjywiovE

**rstones199** · Jul 16 2012, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by OJLeb

Hm... Maybe the Earth was just a formless mass covered in water?

Originally Posted by OJLeb

Biblical Adam.and Eve lived before y-chromosomal.Adam and mitochondrial Eve, which are our MOST RECENT ancestor, not the only ancestor. So no, that alone does not disprove anything.

Please explain how we can trace back out lineage to one man and one woman.......

Better yet, I will tell you.....every man that was tested (4 million men from all parts of the world) in the Human Gnome Project has one mutation in the Y-Chromosome. That means all men can trace their heritage back to one man. The same applied with women and Mitochondrial DNA.

Now, you claim the biblical Adam and Eve lived BEFORE Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. Sounds like a wonderful solution, except for Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve lived some 50K years apart.

Remember this: Darwin Lives! Modern Humans Are Still Evolving

As soon as The biblical Adam and Eve had one child, that child will have mutations. Your nonsense of the biblical Adam and Eve lived BEFORE Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, is just that - nonsense.

Commonsense and reasoning. Try it some time.

Originally Posted by OJLeb

lol thats what I just said! I said if our evolution was all about survival, why are there 4 members of the Great Ape family and not just 1, humans?

If you are asking then the ignorance on Evolution and Natural Selection is breathtaking here.

Originally Posted by OJLeb

I worded that wrong, I meant humans evolve from apes. But fair enough, you provided an example, however it doesn't disprove the existance of God now does it?

Read this very carefully: it does because it disproves Genesis that god picked up some dirt and made man from it. Man EVOLVED from Apes, not from dirt and one of Adams ribs.