Thread: Christianity and Islam are Similiar

Originally Posted by MisLed

the same.

Do you live in the middle east or in a western country.

lol I am just as religious as the people back in Lebanon are. I'll leave it at that because I know what you are trying to say

Originally Posted by OJLeb

lol I am just as religious as the people back in Lebanon are. I'll leave it at that because I know what you are trying to say

I'm not saying anything. I was just curious. you don't have to answer. We have some iranian friends here but we do not talk religion.

Originally Posted by MisLed

I'm not saying anything. I was just curious. you don't have to answer. We have some iranian friends here but we do not talk religion.

Alright, in that case, I live in Canada.

I assumed you would say something along the lines of "I only feel this way because I live in Canada and not the Middle East."

Originally Posted by OJLeb

Alright, in that case, I live in Canada.

I assumed you would say something along the lines of "I only feel this way because I live in Canada and not the Middle East."

You are from Lebanon. That doesn't count.

Originally Posted by truthvigilante

Both derive from authoritarian and libertarian ideals!

The believes maybe different but the morals are the same....or are they???

Islam enters the realm of politics via sharia law and the endless political rhetoric spewed by its teachers. We also have the example of Mohammad converting with the sword and setting up Islamic regimes by force. Christianity, on the other hand, was begun as an apolitical movement of peaceful people who were literally thrown to the lions due to being "different". Then came Constatine, and a nightmare type scenerio insued with Crusades and Inquisitions etc. Of course, to justify this deviation they had to keep the masses ignorant of what the Bible really said until Martin Luther came on the scene, after which the whole fascade came crashing down.

For me the biggest difference is that you have Mohammad say that the infidel should be killed and that Allah hates sinners, and Jesus saying that you should love your enemies and that God loves everyone and that he died for their sins.

The two could not be more different.

Originally Posted by montra

Islam enters the realm of politics via sharia law and the endless political rhetoric spewed by its teachers.

Not even close.

Islam does not "enter... the realm of politics." Islam is explicitly a "deen," an all encompassing world view that already subsumes religion, politics, law... every aspect of life. Shari'a is a result of that, not a cause of it.

Originally Posted by montra

We also have the example of Mohammad converting with the sword and setting up Islamic regimes by force. Christianity, on the other hand, was begun as an apolitical movement of peaceful people who were literally thrown to the lions due to being "different". Then came Constatine, and a nightmare type scenerio insued with Crusades and Inquisitions etc. Of course, to justify this deviation they had to keep the masses ignorant of what the Bible really said until Martin Luther came on the scene, after which the whole fascade came crashing down.

Almost entirely untrue.

Christianity began as a broad and diverse suite of beliefs centered on the rationalization of the fate of a man they had expected to be the Messiah, but instead ended up dead on a cross at the hands of Roman authorities for the crime of sedition. The version that achieved ascendance, eventually reaching the status of orthodoxy (i.e. Pauline Christianity) was always explicitly political with the specific conviction that subservience to the political powers-that-be is a divine command. The Gospels bend over backwards (for example) trying to desperately make excuses for the Roman authorities for the execution of Jesus, placing the blame instead on the Jews and thereby commencing two millennia of brutal and bloody antisemitism, which found its most horrible and vile expression in the writings of Martin Luther himself.

Furthermore, Pauline Christianity's rise to orthodoxy was not a peaceful one. The advantage that the Pauline Christians had over the competing Christian sects such as the Gnostics was their belief in Apostolic Succession; i.e. the assertion that authority in the church was passed down in a direct line from the original apostles. This gave the Paulines an infrastructure of priests and bishops that the competing sects did not possess, and of course such rigid power structures automatically support a martial potential as well. The Paulines won not because their ideas were better or their theology was more true, but because of ruthless suppression and persecution of competing Christian ideas, often at sword point.

Originally Posted by montra

For me the biggest difference is that you have Mohammad say that the infidel should be killed and that Allah hates sinners, and Jesus saying that you should love your enemies and that God loves everyone and that he died for their sins.

The two could not be more different.

You don't think that the Christian God hates sinners? The Bible tells us otherwise:

Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."

Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."

Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

The primary difference between Christianity and Islam is simply this:

Modern Muslims are much better Muslims than Christians are Christians.

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

You are from Lebanon. That doesn't count.

lol what do you mean it doesn't count?

Originally Posted by montra

Islam enters the realm of politics via sharia law and the endless political rhetoric spewed by its teachers.

Islam brings all aspects of society together. That said, there is no pure example of an Islamic state today.

We also have the example of Mohammad converting with the sword and setting up Islamic regimes by force.

Not quote. The Battles Muhammad (PBUH) fought had little to do with converting people. He had many Pagan tribes after him, killing and persecuting Muslims. The Muslims simply fought back.

Christianity, on the other hand, was begun as an apolitical movement of peaceful people who were literally thrown to the lions due to being "different".

Very different scenarios. Christianity began in an almost opposite environment.

Then came Constatine, and a nightmare type scenerio insued with Crusades and Inquisitions etc. Of course, to justify this deviation they had to keep the masses ignorant of what the Bible really said until Martin Luther came on the scene, after which the whole fascade came crashing down.

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For me the biggest difference is that you have Mohammad say that the infidel should be killed and that Allah hates sinners

Actually, the Quran (Allah SWT's words, not Muhammad's (pbuh) words) says to only fight the people who fight you. Incidently at that time they all happened to bw non-Muslim groups.

, and Jesus saying that you should love your enemies and that God loves everyone and that he died for their sins.

Again, very different environments. Muhammad (pbuh) didn't initially fight. After he saw how the Meccans treated the Muslims, he left to Medina. The Musliks in Mecca followed, which made the Meccan tribal leaders angry, and they launched an offensive against Medina.

The Muslims fought for the survival of their lives and Islam.

It's too bad not all Muslims and Christians follow the teachings of the Prophets.

The two could not be more different.

What, Islam and Christianity, or Muhammad and Jesus, peace be upon them both?

Originally Posted by CKW

Give some examples.....and a little clarity. What denomination are these minority religious "nutters". What Christian behavior do they hate? I feel like you are spouting off without thinking.

All those who express hatredof Muslims, far a start. When did they last read the parable of the Good Samaritan? All those who deny science and lie about their President, our Health Service, the Iraq War and so on - they all deliberately spit on truth, so what value have their professions, since they serve the Father of Lies? All those who spit contempt at 'losers' - who clearly have never read what Mary sang of Jesus said about the poor. All those who rant about socialism, since they have never read the Book of Acts. I don't know what denomination they pretend to be, but clearly they aren't Christians. I could get on to Shock and Awe, to the deliberate thieving practiced by bankers and many other things, but those who have sold out on every word of the New Testament are hardly going to be convinced by anything as lacking in financial benefit as mere Christianity, are they?

Originally Posted by OJLeb

lol what do you mean it doesn't count?

The Lebanese are a fairly liberal people.