Thread: Holy Bible Scriptures: Hard to understand or easy to understand?

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

For one I would like to know why 4horsemen did not respond to wolverine's post.

The second thing is if the bible is so straight forward as most Protestants claim, how come they do not agree on much of the meaning.

Is baptism neccessary some say no, some say yes.
Is infant baptism neccessary some say no, some say yes.
Is there a need for Holy Communion some say no, some say yes.
In the Holy Communion is Jesus really present, some say no some say yes.
Can we lose salvation some say, no some say yes.
Does salvation come from faith alone some say no, some say yes.
Is our salvation continuous some say no, some say yes, etc, etc.

So tell me your opinion on some of these subjects. I know whatever your opinion is there is some other Protestant who also says the Bible is easy to interpret and will have a different opinion from you.

I wouldn't be surprised if I am on his ignore list. I call his (*)(*)(*)(*) poor arguments in what seems to be every thread he makes.

Originally Posted by MisLed

I used to think the bible was vague and i didn't understand it at all. It sounded like a bunch of nonsensically put together thees and thous and wherefores. I wasn't ready for it and i wasn't really all that interested in understanding.
My lifestyle was in contrast to what it said.

Then one day i was ready for the change. I wanted to read. All of a sudden it made sense. I think one needs to have that change of heart and not only be ready to read the bible but to actually hear what you read. It's been wonderful.

What is the most important idea that you got from the Bible that you had been unable to get from any other source?

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

Why do people, in general, claim that Biblblical scripture is hard to understand and so vague that you have to put your own interpretation on it? When that couldn't be further from the truth?

The reason why they say that is because they put their own personal interpretations in the scriptures and when their interpretations contradicts the others scriptures they have to put their own interpretations on those as well so, that it does not seem to contradicts there previous interpretations. Most so-called Christians/Churches do not study the Bible to learn but to look for scriptures that seem to support what they already believed.

The thing is also that the Bible was not meant for the unconverted to understand. It is only when God begins to work with the individual's mind that they become receptive and begins to understand some of the things they had a problem with in the Bible. But it does not mean that they will understand everything all at once.....spiritual growth and understanding takes time.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

The thing is also that the Bible was not meant for the unconverted to understand. It is only when God begins to work with the individual's mind that they become receptive and begins to understand some of the things they had a problem with in the Bible. But it does not mean that they will understand everything all at once.....spiritual growth and understanding takes time.

It takes time before people become completely insane.

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

For one I would like to know why 4horsemen did not respond to wolverine's post.

The second thing is if the bible is so straight forward as most Protestants claim, how come they do not agree on much of the meaning.

BFSmith@764I answered this one post #13.

Is baptism neccessary some say no, some say yes.

Which person who has God working with their mind would refuse to get baptized, which is symbolic of dying and coming up a new creation? So it’s not if it is necessary or not. The New Covenant is less about being told to do this or that or else but more about being lead by the Spirit of God. It was never God's intention to dictate every step man's takes but that man should automatically know what is the right thing to do without having to be told.....God wants man to be like Him.

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

Is infant baptism neccessary some say no, some say yes.

There is no example in the Bible of infants being baptized…..what would an infant know about repentance?

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

Is there a need for Holy Communion some say no, some say yes.
In the Holy Communion is Jesus really present, some say no some say yes.

Again, about a desire to do what is right that the New Covenant is about. Communion as really about showing outward what one would be doing inward all the time. The partaking of the bread and wine is symbolic of partaking of Jesus daily. But one can partake of the Communion and still not be partaking of Jesus.....God see the heart (mind) and is not fooled by meaningless rituals.

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

Can we lose salvation some say, no some say yes.

The question is who it is that have partaken of what God has given them and understood it would want to throw it all away? There is nothing that I could achieve in this life that would even be measurable in comparison to the glory that lies before me when I am given a new and glorified body, and all that will come with being a king in God's kingdom.

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

Does salvation come from faith alone some say no, some say yes.
Is our salvation continuous some say no, some say yes, etc, etc.

Salvation is by grace through faith. For example, all human beings whether they are a Christians or not are saved because of Jesus' sacrifice but not all have accepted that sacrifice by faith. And as long as one continues to live by faith and do what Jesus says they have nothing to fear.

Originally Posted by Sean Michael

So tell me your opinion on some of these subjects. I know whatever your opinion is there is some other Protestant who also says the Bible is easy to interpret and will have a different opinion from you.

All my response are supported in the Bible and not my opinion.

Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd

It takes time before people become completely insane.

And when the fox was unable to get the juicy grapes it comfort itself by saying the grapes were sour anyway.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

Which person who has God working with their mind would refuse to get baptized, which is symbolic of dying and coming up a new creation? So it’s not if it is necessary or not. The New Covenant is less about being told to do this or that or else but more about being lead by the Spirit of God. It was never God's intention to dictate every step man's takes but that man should automatically know what is the right thing to do without having to be told.....God wants man to be like Him.



There is no example in the Bible of infants being baptized…..what would an infant know about repentance?



Again, about a desire to do what is right that the New Covenant is about. Communion as really about showing outward what one would be doing inward all the time. The partaking of the bread and wine is symbolic of partaking of Jesus daily. But one can partake of the Communion and still not be partaking of Jesus.....God see the heart (mind) and is not fooled by meaningless rituals.




The question is who it is that have partaken of what God has given them and understood it would want to throw it all away? There is nothing that I could achieve in this life that would even be measurable in comparison to the glory that lies before me when I am given a new and glorified body, and all that will come with being a king in God's kingdom.



Salvation is by grace through faith. For example, all human beings whether they are a Christians or not are saved because of Jesus' sacrifice but not all have accepted that sacrifice by faith. And as long as one continues to live by faith and do what Jesus says they have nothing to fear.



All my response are supported in the Bible and not my opinion.

Have you baptized all of your dead relatives? Better get busy if you haven't.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

And when the fox was unable to get the juicy grapes it comfort itself by saying the grapes were sour anyway.

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Be nice to the zombies when they visit you. They're sure to be thirsty and hungry. You might want to stock up on some wine and food. Thet might get cranky if you aren't nice.

Originally Posted by BFSmith@764

Salvation is by grace through faith. For example, all human beings whether they are a Christians or not are saved because of Jesus' sacrifice but not all have accepted that sacrifice by faith. And as long as one continues to live by faith and do what Jesus says they have nothing to fear.



All my response are supported in the Bible and not my opinion.

According to Mark 16:16 a person has to jump into the water.

Mark 16:16 (CEB) = Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn’t believe will be condemned.