Thread: Atheists cannot disbelieve or reject GOD without defining HIM.

Originally Posted by GraspingforPeace

Everything in this Universe has another PHYSICAL cause. You are claiming that a nonphysical God caused something physical. Literally something from nothing. You can't apply the same laws of the Universe, obviously.

You have hit it, Grasping.

A nonphysical God could NOT have caused the physical universe.

If fact, NOTHING could have caused the physical universe. It must be a mental phenomenon.

By the way, what do YOU think caused the physical universe? If you think it's randomness, or just the passage of time, that also is literally something from nothing, you know.

Show me how much you know. I'm on your side, know it or not.

Originally Posted by Heretic

How do you know that GOD isn't physical, when you can't even DEFINE HIM????????

Because if you are going to claim God as a physical being, it would require that he/she/it also has to conform to the laws of nature i.e., having a cause.

“If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ … and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones …


Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21

Originally Posted by Ex-lib

You have hit it, Grasping.

A nonphysical God could NOT have caused the physical universe.

If fact, NOTHING could have caused the physical universe. It must be a mental phenomenon.

By the way, what do YOU think caused the physical universe? If you think it's randomness, or just the passage of time, that also is literally something from nothing, you know.

Show me how much you know. I'm on your side, know it or not.

I have no idea how this Universe started or if it even truly did. We have no evidence to suggest that it started at any point; we only have evidence to suggest it was at one point infinitely dense/hot and then one day expanded.

And as for the claim about a mental process: can you give me one example of a physical entity coming into existence through a mental process? Also, every mental process we know has to have a brain to work. Even if you are suggesting a mental process caused the Universe, exactly what brain did this mental process come from?

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (NIV)

Leviticus 20:10



You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery. (AMP)

Exodus 22:18




Yeah, lets keep getting advice from this fantasy book........

Can anyone here deny the schlortiblorfest without defining it precisely?

Actually, everyone can. Every possible entity in the universe, other than this god-thing, can be denied without defining it. The god-thing apparently gets a special-pleading fallacy applied to it.

Originally Posted by GraspingforPeace

I have no idea how this Universe started or if it even truly did. We have no evidence to suggest that it started at any point; we only have evidence to suggest it was at one point infinitely dense/hot and then one day expanded.

And as for the claim about a mental process: can you give me one example of a physical entity coming into existence through a mental process? Also, every mental process we know has to have a brain to work. Even if you are suggesting a mental process caused the Universe, exactly what brain did this mental process come from?

I'm going to skip steps, because you're smarter than most, and get to the meat.

Recognize that we have no proof that thought is a product of brain. There seems to be some connection of course, but that connection is a false belief. As a matter of fact, thought is all there is. Brain is just another thought. It's the thought that 'thought cannot exist without some 'creator''.

Matter is a false belief. This belief "exists" in what we might call 'mortal mind', or the mind of mortals. The claim is that something other than this mind must exist.

In reality, there is one Mind only. This is the Mind that may be called God. Man, you and me, are not matter, but idea.- the 'image and likeness' of the infinite Mind (called 'God' in the Bible).

So-called mortal mind as mentioned above CLAIMS to be us, claims that I have a body and a 'mortal mind', and that you do.

But as this belief of a personal mind is let go of, yielding to the understanding that there is only one Mind, God, Love, we will step-by-step fall away from seeing ourselves as material or mortal-minded. On the path of this understanding is the healing of disease, sin, death and all discord, since it is unreal anyway. Jesus knew this. He was the first to know it.Her wasn't "magical", he was smart.

I'm leaving now. We'll talk if you like.

Originally Posted by GraspingforPeace

Because if you are going to claim God as a physical being, it would require that he/she/it also has to conform to the laws of nature i.e., having a cause.

You're missing the whole point.............

It doesn't matter how I define GOD, it's become very clear, that it matters what YOU BELIEVE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you refuse to believe in God, then does that mean you also have no definition of God? NO!!!!! That's what we've already established. Atheism, as you put it, is invalid, because it is inherently irrational.

Originally Posted by Friendly

“If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ … and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones …


Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21

What does this topic have to do with the chastity of young girls, Friendly? STAY ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Heretic

Atheists cannot disbelieve or reject GOD without defining HIM.

How can a person reject a belief, when they don't even understand the definition of the belief? Atheists need to read the Bible, before their "rejection of God" has any validity or rationality. An atheist who claims to "not believe in God", without reading the Bible, is dishonest and a liar.

You need to have a basic understanding of GOD, which atheists do not, before saying they can "reject" God.


Let's say a rare atheist, one in a billion, actually looks into GOD, seeks GOD, and says, "No, I still reject GOD." How can this be, when, God's existence does not require the "approval" or "acceptance" of a lowly mortal and moral being, like an atheist?

Does a father need his son's approval and acceptance to exist, to exist? Does a son need to believe in his father, before his father exists physically, mentally, and spiritually? No, GOD exists objectively. An atheist's pathetic "approval" is not an issue. The problem with atheists and atheism, is that it is subjective, not objective thinking. Atheists are irrational, and I say further, intellectually inferior.

I know what it is I'm rejecting...