Thread: How can Free Will exist with Omnipotence?

Originally Posted by Wolverine

The premise of God is Omnipotence and Omniscience. Meaning God is all powerful and all knowing.

In order for the definition of God to remain intact, Free Will must be an illusion. The premise of Free Will is null, God knows what we will do before we do it (Jeremiah 1:5).

In order for the definition of Free Will to remain intact, the idea of God must change to something that is not Omnipotent or Omniscience. The premise of God is null. God is not all powerful, trumped by the physical cognitive neural activity within a self-aware conscience brain.

How can Free Will exist with Omnipotence and Omniscience?

How can Omnipotence and Omniscience exist with Free Will?

There's an ant on my desk. I have no idea what it's going to do or even where it intends to go but, I do know I'll be able to see all its moves. I really don't feel like making that ant due my bidding. I could care less. Unless, of course, it gets it's buddies and want's to party on my desk upon which they will be rained down on by a death-wielding, putrid rain.

Originally Posted by Questerr

The ability to choose one's own fate is my personal definition.

If something is fated then you can't stop it. That's not exactly free.

Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen

If something is fated then you can't stop it. That's not exactly free.

That's my point.

Originally Posted by Questerr

The ability to choose one's own fate is my personal definition.

well in all fairness we must get the original posters definition. That's where he is now. Looking it up. cause he doesn't know what the h it means.

Originally Posted by Daggdag

To answer the OP, that is a thin line...However, the fact that god knows what you will choose to do, does not mean he controls your choose.

The better question would be, how can your have free will, and god's plan at the same time? This is one of the biggest Christian contridictions. One one hand, you have the idea of free will, and that humans can choose how to live. Then, on the other hand, you have the idea that god has a divine plan that no one can go against and have no choose but to follow.

Hmmmmmmm.... you raise a good point. I assumed it was understood, however I should have been explicit in the point you raised here.

Originally Posted by Daggdag

To answer the OP, that is a thin line...However, the fact that god knows what you will choose to do, does not mean he controls your choose.

The better question would be, how can your have free will, and god's plan at the same time? This is one of the biggest Christian contridictions. One one hand, you have the idea of free will, and that humans can choose how to live. Then, on the other hand, you have the idea that god has a divine plan that no one can go against and have no choose but to follow.

Good point, I had assumed that the two ideas would be considered as one. However, it appears I should have been more explicit.

Originally Posted by MisLed

well in all fairness we must get the original posters definition. That's where he is now. Looking it up. cause he doesn't know what the h it means.

Free will, the act on will freely.

However if when we do is already known, it is already determined, meaning that in the light of God free will is flase.

Originally Posted by Questerr

The ability to choose one's own fate is my personal definition.

I'd say actions rather than fate; fate is the illusion of a set purpose, which is real only in the sense that something is set to happen - we, existing as we do, simply don't know what the future holds. This is where free will is revealed as illusory as well, though.. Because if we did know the future, we would simply be acting out a script of sorts. Instead, our part in the unfolding of universal events is one of limited knowledge. Thus, no matter what it is we will actually end up doing, from our own perspective we have free will, because we do not perceive the reasons for our choices, nor their future consequences.

In brief, we are as free as beings such as ourselves can be.

Whether we consider ourselves free is purely a matter of perspective, however.

Free will means evil wins.

do computers have free will?

no, and neither does the human brain, a purely biological computer.