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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd View Post
    The Saudis don't like male sorcerers any better than women sorcerers. So are they more biblical than Jews and Christians?
    http://www.arabnews.com/news/501861
    In KSA sorcerer would be a swindler like Bernie Madoff.
    Fate says to the warrior, "You cannot withstand the storm".

    The warrior answers back, "I am the storm".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd View Post
    The Saudis don't like male sorcerers any better than women sorcerers. So are they more biblical than Jews and Christians?
    http://www.arabnews.com/news/501861
    I've no intention of going to Saudi Arabia. I don't like the heat or the sand and I like to see women sensibly dressed. Not is sackcloth and ashes. There's nothing like a shapely ... er... dear me, and me in my late 70's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot2 View Post
    In KSA sorcerer would be a swindler like Bernie Madoff.
    WHO is Bernie Madoff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorw2539 View Post
    I've no intention of going to Saudi Arabia. I don't like the heat or the sand and I like to see women sensibly dressed. Not is sackcloth and ashes. There's nothing like a shapely ... er... dear me, and me in my late 70's.

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    WHO is Bernie Madoff?
    He was a major swindler.. He defrauded people all across the country out of their life savings.. and defrauded many charities including Jewish charities. I think he was sentenced to a hundred years or something like that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
    Fate says to the warrior, "You cannot withstand the storm".

    The warrior answers back, "I am the storm".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot2 View Post
    He was a major swindler.. He defrauded people all across the country out of their life savings.. and defrauded many charities including Jewish charities. I think he was sentenced to a hundred years or something like that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
    Thanks. I do love your American optimism. At the age of around 70 he was sentenced to 150 years in prison. Does that mean, when he dies, he will be buried in the prison grounds until the time is up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorw2539 View Post
    Thanks. I do love your American optimism. At the age of around 70 he was sentenced to 150 years in prison. Does that mean, when he dies, he will be buried in the prison grounds until the time is up.
    One can hope!
    Fate says to the warrior, "You cannot withstand the storm".

    The warrior answers back, "I am the storm".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    The ridiculous denial that the Sun existed prior to the earth is simply ignorance on steroids. I realize that this view is necessary to maintain the Bible text, but it simply proves the flaw in the text.
    There are no flaws in the Bible, but of course to the critic, the non-believer, there are flaws in their perspective/viewpoint.

    The earth could not exist prior to its source of energy.
    When it comes to Almighty God the Creator nothing is impossible for Him to do. It doesn't matter what existed first in regards to the earth and sun during creation. He could have created them both on day 1, or created the earth on day 1 and the sun on day 4. Nobody can prove one way or another as to what was created first/ nor on what particular day. We can only believe one way or another.

    Without the Sun, vegetation couldn't exist for one thing.
    Well during the time of creation apparently vegetation did exist for 1 day without the sun. Critics always scoff at this notion of the sequence of events as outlined in the Book of Genesis which illustrates that vegetation came on the 3rd day and the sun of the 4th day.

    They claim that sequence of events is impossible making statements such as yours. Some question why wasn't the sun made on the 3rd day and vegetation on the 4th day?

    Well probably, God wanted us to know that it is not the sun that sustains life, but it is He, God, the Creator of the sun, who sustains life.

    (For many say if there is no sun, there cannot be life. But the truth is-if there is no God, there is no life; God can use anything to give us life, and not just the sun. And many people worship the sun today thinking that without it nothing can survive. But the plants and trees were there for a full day even before the sun was created!)

    Furthermore, if God didn't exist then nothing would exist, there would be no universe, no stars, no moon, no sun, no earth, no life, no you, no me but just nothingness. Oh but as we see that is not the case, the universe, the stars, moon, sun, earth all exist, you and I exist, all because the Creator, Almighty God exists!

    Our proximity to the Sun is what keeps the planet warm enough to sustain life.
    That's the way God designed it to be.

    If the Sun burned out tomorrow we would cease to exist.
    Well according to scientists they theorize that there will be a day when the cosmos will come to an end and everything will cease to exist. They theorize that the expanding universe will change its course/direction and contract on itself and implode into a fiery colossal fireball.

    And according to Scripture there will be an end...the end times, when God will destroy everything in the universe but He will keep those who loved Him, those who worshipped Him, those who believed in Him, those who had asked His Son our Lord Savior Jesus Christ for His forgiveness of their sins, those who then will be saved and will be with Him in paradise, in His Kingdom of Heaven to live happily- ever- after for all eternity!

    We read in Scripture:

    "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16 NLT

    We orbit the Sun. I can only imagine that this guy still thinks that the Sun orbits the earth.
    I wholeheartedly agree. But as we know back in ancient times when mankind was pretty much ignorant of a lot of things in nature that was the belief of the time. Now with the advances of science, mankind knows better, on who orbits who.

    Some critics have suggested that the Bible teaches this in that the sun orbits the earth but that is not true. It's by their misinterpretation of what they read in Scripture that has led them to this error in their understanding.
    "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." ---- Albert Einstein

    "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God."---Lord Kelvin (British scientist)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot2 View Post
    In KSA sorcerer would be a swindler like Bernie Madoff.
    That's an interesting way to look at it. If the word "sorcerer" really meant that the person was a swindler then maybe the word "prophet" really meant that the person was a liar. That helps to explain a lot of the biblical and Koran stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    I have a copy of Walter Isaacson's biography, Einstein; His Life and Universe, right here and I have yet to see any such claims. The book is 551 pages with another 100 + pages of sources and bibliography. It's the most thorough biography written on Einstein. There was a simple set of formulas that defined Einstein's outlook. Creativity required being willing not to conform. That required nurturing free minds and free spirits, which in turn required " a spirit of tolerance." And the underpinning of tolerance was humility - the belief that no one had the right to impose ideas and beliefs on others.

    Whenever he was judging a theory he would universalize it. He'd ask himself whether, if I were God, would I have arranged the world in such a way." He held a Cosmic religion, and was very much a Pantheist. Nature was his religion and his God.
    Well as brilliant of a mind that Einstein had as a theoretical physicist it's baffling that he failed to understand the motives of God. This failure was the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe.

    He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for all eternity.

    It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. Again like I already mentioned it's amazingly baffling that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.

    No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether.

    If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God, that's why when he discovered that the universe had a beginning, he was quoted as saying, "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."

    Before this discovery he and many other atheist scientists always held the belief that the universe was eternal but not anymore, they now believe it had a beginning.

    So you agnostics/atheists should try to go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world. If you all could at least do that, then and only then, that perhaps there is hope for you all in that you'll make the most wisest decision you've ever made in your entire lives and become practicing Christians and be among/part of the little over 2 billion practicing Christians world wide and save your eternal souls.

    We read in Scripture:

    "They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God."---Romans 1:19-20 NLT
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    "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." ---- Albert Einstein

    "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God."---Lord Kelvin (British scientist)

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    Okay, I haven't read through the last few continuations of this thread. Has Mitt Ryan managed to answer even one tough question convincingly? He hadn't back when I followed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecco
    Please name one "reliable Gospel eyewitness" who wrote an account of anything Jesus did.
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    Well, let's see. Here is a paragraph from your very own link...
    The New Testament authors repeatedly referred to themselves as eyewitnesses, even if they did not make overt statements including their names.

    Yet the author of the article gives no examples of the authors ever referring to themselves as eyewitnesses.



    In the last chapter of Johnís Gospel, the author tells us he is testifying and his testimony is true. Language such as this presumes the author has seen something he can describe as eyewitness testimony.

    John testifies and claims his testimony is true and therefore we should presume it's an eyewitness account?

    The author of the article then more honestly states...
    While Luke clearly states he is not an eyewitness


    You cut and paste from a religious site that clearly does not support your position with anything resembling evidence.

    Perhaps, instead of cutting and pasting from a religious site, you could cut and paste a passage from the gospels where the authors referred to themselves as eyewitnesses.

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