Inaccuracy of the Quran - Page 5

Red · #41 (**permalink**) 02-08-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Dred

I take the message of Christ and call myself a Christian ...

And you've every right to do so. But that doesn't mean that anyone else would call you a Christian, nor that your views are representative of Buddhism.

WanRen · #42 (**permalink**) 02-08-2010, 04:59 PM

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15 And Joshua made peace with them, and made a league with them, to let them live: and the princes of the congregation sware unto them.

16 And it came to pass at the end of three days after they had made a league with them, that they heard that they were their neighbors, and that they dwelt among them.

17 And the children of Israel journeyed, and came unto their cities on the third day. Now their cities were Gibeon, and Chephi'rah, and Beer'oth, and Kir'jath–je'arim.

18 And the children of Israel smote them not, because the princes of the congregation had sworn unto them by the LORD God of Israel. And all the congregation murmured against the princes.

19 But all the princes said unto all the congregation, We have sworn unto them by the LORD God of Israel: now therefore we may not touch them.

20 This we will do to them; we will even let them live, lest wrath be upon us, because of the oath which we sware unto them.

21 And the princes said unto them, Let them live; but let them be hewers of wood and drawers of water unto all the congregation; as the princes had promised them.

22 And Joshua called for them, and he spake unto them, saying, Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying, We are very far from you; when ye dwell among us?

23 Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God.

24 And they answered Joshua, and said, Because it was certainly told thy servants, how that the LORD thy God commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you, therefore we were sore afraid of our lives because of you, and have done this thing.

25 And now, behold, we are in thine hand: as it seemeth good and right unto thee to do unto us, do.

26 And so did he unto them, and delivered them out of the hand of the children of Israel, that they slew them not.

27 And Joshua made them that day hewers of wood and drawers of water for the congregation, and for the altar of the LORD, even unto this day, in the place which he should choose.

It is clear in those passages that the none Jews surrender and their surrender was accepted and one thing I notice they were not enslave.

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And what happened when Joshua fit the battle of Jericho in Book VI ?

I believe Jericho was given a chance to surrender, Jericho chosed to fight!

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21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

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Was this all a big mistake? Was this not the kind of "engineering work" that the LORD had in mind? Perhaps He will take the next opportunity to set Joshua straight about His real intentions, in Joshua VIII:

In 21 it was not the word of God it was the writter's report as to what happen during that war and during that era wars are fought with such brutality

In the end, yes Joshua will defeat Jericho and establish the nation of Israel but he will die a lonely and poor man.

Many of the conquerors, the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians even Romans were fascinated and amazed by the Jewish one God and it would take the arrival of Jesus Christ before all of the none Jews can be accepted as children of God because the early Jews exclusively denied the none Jews to be part of the Kingdom of God.

Unfortunately, traditional Judaism is still exlcusive to Jews only today

Red · #43 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 01:35 AM

WanRen,

are you reading the Bible, or some other Bible?

Jericho was not summoned to surrender (believe what you will, but you're not believing it based on any scriptural evidence). The only people the Israelites were persuaded to make peace with had pretended to come from far away, outside of the "Promised Land". When their deception was uncovered, they were enslaved. They were not given careers in the water and timber sectors of the new civil engineering projects, they were enslaved - as everyone who has read that passage before you has immediately understood.

frodly · #44 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WanRen

YouTube- Is the Koran Accurate? Ravi Zacharias explains

Islam claim that Mohammed got his message directly from Allah to recite the Quran but according to the Quran and Islamic history it was the Gabriel angel who has direct communication with Mohammed and not Allah.

Muslims always claim that the reason why the Quran is more powerful than the Bible is because it is the direct word of Allah when in fact they themselves said it in their history it was not directly from Allah but from Gabriel angel.

And Moses talked to a bush, Adam to a snake, and Jesus to his father aka himself. So he was a bit schizophrenic. In the end, it is all equally stupid. All religion is stupid, and there is no logical defense for any religion. Some Christians have faith, so they do not need logic and reason. The same is true for muslims. That makes no sense to me, but to many people it does.

WanRen · #45 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by frodly

And Moses talked to a bush, Adam to a snake, and Jesus to his father aka himself. So he was a bit schizophrenic. In the end, it is all equally stupid. All religion is stupid, and there is no logical defense for any religion. Some Christians have faith, so they do not need logic and reason. The same is true for muslims. That makes no sense to me, but to many people it does.

The problem is Islam history ends with Abraham and Ishmael the rest it is a copy cat the reverse side of the Holy Bible. And if we look at it very carefully, it can be consider the greatest blasphemeous act of all against Christianity!!!

Nosferax · #46 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WanRen

The problem is Islam history ends with Abraham and Ishmael the rest it is a copy cat the reverse side of the Holy Bible. And if we look at it very carefully, it can be consider the greatest blasphemeous act of all against Christianity!!!

There is always two side to any story...

mikezila · #47 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

Can we see chapter and verse to show that Gabriel is an unreleliable witness?

Holy Mother of God! When Gabriel tells you something, you'd better listen!

ha! Gabriel is an errand boy! when God wants divine intervention, he sends Michael.

mikezila · #48 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Malak

If this is your proof that the Quran is inaccurate, then you have no proof.
1. Many historical and scientists have rejected the event of crucifiction of jesus.
2. The only prove that you have is what the Bible and Christians says.
3. The bibles were and still being edited all the time, a fact no one can deny...
4. If the Bibles were not edited by humans and manipulated, then why would God send a new messenger with new messages.
5. The Quran was not edited an it is in its original copy.
6. Contradiction in the bibles are serious.

More important, to claim that something is fake or not true you have to provide facts and proofs about that which can not be disagreed by anyone.

Providing a Youtube Vedio by someone claiming the Quran is not accurate becuase it does not confirm all Bibles messages when they were and are being edited all the time, would not convince a reasonable man as any manipulator can do the same and his followers would be idiots.

How about the accuracy of Science in the Quran ! Would you like me to provide some links ?
How about the prophecy in Quran! Which all happened, Would you like some links ?

The reason why the Quran is powerful is not becuase it was sent by Gabriel, the reason why it is powerful is becuase:
1. It is from God.
2. It has never been and will never been edit or manipulate.
3. Everything the Quran prophecy about came to happen and everything the Quran speaks about was proved from science to be accurate.

If you want proof of any of my claims, please ask.

ok, i'd like proof that the folks that recited the Koran repeatedly before it was written down never ever made an error.

God is infallible, Man isn't.

mikezila · #49 (**permalink**) 02-09-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WanRen

The problem is Islam history ends with Abraham and Ishmael the rest it is a copy cat the reverse side of the Holy Bible. And if we look at it very carefully, it can be consider the greatest blasphemeous act of all against Christianity!!!

Mohammed hung out with Christians in his early days. that he'd pick up some things from them is no shock.

Red · #50 (**permalink**) 02-10-2010, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mikezila

Mohammed hung out with Christians in his early days. that he'd pick up some things from them is no shock.

He will have known at least as many Jews as Christians in his part of the world, and I'm sure people of his time and place would have been exposed to Zoroastrian and Gnostic ideas, too - they were all "in the air".

John of Damascus (676 - 749) preached that Islam was a Christian heresy (the Heresy of the Ishmaelites) - in Damascus, incidentally, with the Caliph looking on with interest but ultimately unconvinced. However, only a generation or so previously the Byzantines had recorded the Prophet's ministry in Arabia as the rise of a new, Jewish sect.

But the notion that the Koran itself is some kind of corruption of the Bible, or is an "anti-Bible", is a completely new departure, and an original theory of WanRen's I think.

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