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Who said Einstein what a theist? His religious views are not very certain.

"Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of the universe,a spirit vastly superior to that of man" - Albert Einstein

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"Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of the universe,a spirit vastly superior to that of man" - Albert Einstein
Indeed. A non-theistic statement.
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Indeed. A non-theistic statement.
Correct you are, and so am I freeware as part two of Lm's statement that his religious views were not certain. Well, in the Abrahamic religions, the spirit is most definitely a big part of them,dare I say the main point. Other religions do not include a spirit of superior being or even A spirit, so Einstein's views on religion are certainly clear to me... Oh yeah,and he didn't say spirits as in imaginations.. lol

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Correct you are, and so am I freeware as part two of Lm's statement that his religious views were not certain. Well, in the Abrahamic religions, the spirit is most definitely a big part of them,dare I say the main point. Other religions do not include a spirit of superior being or even A spirit, so Einstein's views on religion are certainly clear to me... Oh yeah,and he didn't say spirits as in imaginations.. lol
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

Sorry, but Einstein didn't believe in your personal god. If anything he was a Deist.
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

Sorry, but Einstein didn't believe in your personal god. If anything he was a Deist.
I never said he believed in a personal God or Jesus,but he did believe in a spiritual God and whether He didn't believe God concerned himself with others or not is an opinion. The fact that he believed in a spirit superior to us is in fact the same God,just different guessing games.. "orderly harmony of what exists" is certainly a fine description as I believe that about God too,only I have worded it different on the site such as "Harmonious with nature" - I read about his "Spinoza's God" comment as well. Hey man,you're free to believe in no God,it shouldn't matter to you that the greatest scientist of all time believed in the big bad flying macaroni monster.. LOL

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I think I'll formulate a law similar to that of Godwin's law: As an online discussion with theists grows longer, the probability of starting a discussion of Einsteins religious views approaches 1
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I have not studied the subjects in great detail, but I have a general grasp.

Abiogenesis - Amino acids, the building blocks of life, have been found to be produced from natural processes and fossil records prove that prokaryotic cells were the first form of life on this planet. I believe the exact steps are unknown on how amino acids became cells, but the theories provided by scientists seem more credible than all the animals and plants just appearing.

Evolution - (I think you might be confused with the theory of natural selection) - it is an observed fact that evolution does occur. The simple fact that viruses are able to change every year is a testament to evolution. There are countless reference points that show that organisms have slowly evolved over time .

Yes, it is childish to insult people.
Yea - life just appearing is kinda far fetched, but the thing about it is... Why can't they just say, "WE DON'T KNOW.." Which would be the truth..?

Evolution (I have a thread on it) is seen between the lines of species. Just like how those single cell organisms got eyeballs, there is no scientific evidence of animals evolving into new, more complex species...
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You know, TalkOrigins actually catalogs its sources. It has them linked at the bottom of every article on the site. You can check them, and read them. See, this is why people accuse you of being ignorant. Sometimes we use TalkOrigins as a source, because it's good and well-researched. Sometimes I use YouTube videos made by cdk007 and DonExodus2 (who is a Christian, incidentally), because videos are easy to watch. DonExodus2 also generally includes all his sources in the video info, making his videos especially valid.
I see you use other sources... So I'm ignorant because I DEMAND other sources from people who only use one?!?! Are you joking me? They are google experts... I ask for University findings and other sources and I get none... Go look at the evolution thread... It's WIKI or TalkOrigins or BUST!!! As I say bust - they do not rebuttal but resort to personal attacks...

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So why do you reject those sources? Do you reject the sources because they support evolution and abiogenesis? Just a hint, so does everyone in the scientific community. I mean, the majority regarding global warming is enough for them to call it a "consensus," but it may as well be a civil war next to the consensus of scientists that accept evolution as absolutely factual.
I reject all sources if it's the only source brought to the table. I pretty sure I could find a source that says Jesus is a black space man with 6 arms!! And the scientific community does not. When I was studying - a person from my class told me that some Chinese biologist said a speech and stated that, "In our country (China) we accept our Gov't without question because questions are not acceptable but we question evolution. In America you may not question evolution, but say blasphemies of their Gov't...."

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You, on the other hand, have no scientific sources. You have no links to peer-reviewed articles. You have no real dissenting evidence made by real scientists who actually know what they are talking about. So yes, the primary argument against you is that you are ignorant. Because if you were not ignorant, you would accept what all the informed people in the world already regard as fact. Because really ignorance is the only reason you would ever reject evolution and abiogenesis.
Funny... In order for a hypothesis to reach a theory one must be ignorant? To be a scientist one must be ignorant!?!? Did I understand this right? You are obviously not of this field because to be ignorant (as you so put it) is part of the job!! You can't go into science thinking everything is just true because Jonny Flashpants says so! SORRY CIVILIAN - not how we work!! If you can't sit and tell me everything about something, as a scientist (major in biology) I AM SUPPOSE TO QUESTION!!! If you want to be a sheep (which is 90% of this planet) go follow some herder on your own time! We scientist have work to do!! And guess what that is? To QUESTION - TO NEVER ACCEPT THAT SOMETHING IS PURE AND WITHOUT FALLACIES. Because guess what - nothing is... and it was someone who asked questions who found that out!! Not some blind follower like Right Wing Christian nutjob whom never owned a Bible let alone opened one.

Do you know who we are? We are the ones who you follow. You followed us when we said no man can run a 4 minute mile. You followed us when we said that blacks were half apes. You followed us off the ledge since the beginning - since Merlin or the Shaman. You are sheep because you are without question - I know what I am - I'm the keeper at the gate and your just a civilian... funny isn't it? I find it very funny...
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
He got that from wiki because I know who this oh for 20 is... He is a liar and that is what he just GOOGLE'd from the internet. In fact google this "not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings" and see what you get?

Grasping is a complete JOKE!!

Here I'll post it here: http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_be...in/160813.html

Now the REALLY FUNNY PART!!! GraspingForAttention laughed when I stated I believed in Gaia now he states that he also believes in that same philosophy? Really... After calling me ignorant and all that - you believe in the same thing as I do...

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I think I'll formulate a law similar to that of Godwin's law: As an online discussion with theists grows longer, the probability of starting a discussion of Einsteins religious views approaches 1
I think there is quite a bit more than one who supports Sir. Godwin's Law is that of Nazi's... You might want to look that up!!

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