Lord help us!

Doc, calling Mohamed a prophet would be a lie, not a show of respect, unless that person actually believed that he was a prophet.

Calling Jesus God would be the equivalent of the respect that you are asking of Christians. I'll look forward to all Muslims calling Jesus God, out of respect of course.

Christians are not encouraged to lie, that would be sin. We are commanded to tell the truth, which is foundational for genuine love (1 Corinthians 13:6).

Can Muslims lie?
http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html

Amen, kaka.

What does Amen mean?
http://www.christiancourier.com/ques...enQuestion.htm

You got half right. The Catholic deification of Mary is rooted in the Babylonian false gods, one of which is Isis.

Jesus was the first, all others, like Tammuz, are false christs. This is a summery of what the Bible teaches..

"The pagan cults of Greece and Rome were part of what are commonly called the mystery religions. By Pauls time they had dominated the near eastern world for thousands of years and indirectly would dominate much of western culture through the middle ages and, even untill today.

The mystery religions had many forms and variations, but a common source. In his vision on the island of Patmos John was shown "the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters," on whose "forehead a name was written, a mystery, 'Babylon the great, the mother of all harlots and the abominations of the earth'" (Rev. 17:1,5). Here the Lord pictures His judgment of the world religion. At the end of the Tribulation the true church will have been raptured (1 Thess. 4:13-18; Rev. 3:10) and the world will begin to establish a religion of it's own that will be truly universal. It will be the composite of all the worlds false religions, which will "give their power and authority to the beast, "the Antichrist" (Rev. 17:13). The final form of that all-powerful, universal religion will represent the completion of the mystery religions that historically originated in ancient Babylon.

In its organized form false religion began with the tower of Babel, from which Babylon derives it's name. Cain was the first false worshiper, and many individuals after him followed his example. But organized pagan religion began with the descendent's of Ham, one of Noah's three sons, who decided to erect a great monument that would "reach into heaven" and make themselves a great name (Gen. 10:9-10; 11:4). Under the leadership of the proud and apostate Nimrod they planned to storm heaven and unify their power and prestige in a great worldwide system of worship. That was man's first counterfeit religion, from which every other false religion in one way or another has sprung.

God's judgment frustrated their primary purpose of making a grand demonstration of humanistic unity. By confusing "their language, that they may not understand one another's speech," and scattering "them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth" (Gen. 11:7- the Lord halted the building of the tower and fractured their solidarity. But those people took with them the seeds of that false, idolatrous religion, seeds that they and their descendants have been planting throughout the world ever since. The ideas and forms were altered, adapted, and sometimes made more sophisticated, but the basic system remained, and remains, unchanged. That is why Babel, or Babylon, is called "the mother of all harlots and of the abominations of the earth" (Rev. 17:5). She was the pro generator of all false religions.

From various ancient sources, it seems that Nimrod's wife. Semiramis (the first), apparently was high priestess of the Babel religion and the founder of all mystery religions. After the tower was destroyed and the multiplicity of languages developed, she was worshiped as a goddess under many different names. She became Ishtar of Syria, Astarte of Phoenicia, Isis of Egypt, Aphrodite of Greece, and Venus of Rome--in each case the deity of sexual love and fertility. Her son, Tammuz, also came to be deified under various names and was the consort of Ishtar and and god of the underworld.

According to the cult of Ishtar, Tammuz was conceived by a sunbeam, a counterfeit version of Jesus' virgin birth. Tammuz corresponded to Baal in Phoenicia, Orisis in Egypt, Eros in Greece, and Cupid in Rome. In every case, the worship of these gods and goddesses was associated with sexual immorality. The celebration of Lent has no basis in scripture, but rather developed from the pagan celebration of Semiramis's mourning for forty days over the death of Tammuz (cf. Ezek. 8:14) before his alleged resurrection--another of Satan's mythical counterfeits.

The mystery religions originated the idea of baptismal regeneration, being born again merely through the rite of water baptism, and the practice of mutilation and flagellation to atone for sins or gain spiritual favor. They also began the custom of pilgrimages, which many religions follow today, and the paying of penance for forgiveness of sins for oneself and for others. (JMNTC)


God bless

I was talking about the media, not Muslims. If the Media were pandering to Muslims the would say 'peace be upon Him' after saying Muhammad's name. Muhammad is a common Muslim first, and last name. Therefore calling Muhammad 'the Prophet Muhammad' is making clear who is being refereed to, as well as showing respect.

If the term 'the Prophet Muhammad' annoys you, take it up with whichever media outlet is using the term. Not all of them use the term.

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You're obviously agnostic, atheist, Episcopalian, or a Protestant. Your lack of understanding of Catholics is astounding and offensive. Cathohlics dont worship any saints. Or should I go tell the Chuch of saint Paul, Luherans, that only Catholics honor saints. Their church is around the corner from where I live. Cathlics ask that the saints pray for them in time of crises. They dont pray to them they ask that they pray for them. Anyway I hope that cleared up your prejudices.

To my point exactly, you are such a fool. It is never used, so why is prohpet Mohamed tossed around indiscrimanetly. He is not my prohphet, he and his followers have only brought me saddness and darkness. I hate to go this far but I truly think that Mohamed is Devil incarnate in his people. He is not a prophet. Dont call him that. Jesus is savior and lord.

Every Muslim born male has to be named Mohamed, thus the prevaalence.

No, it doesn't annoy me. It's just not true. Your right, I misunderstood the question, sorry.

Because calling Mohammad a prophet is not offensive to the conscience of sinful man, because it is a lie. Calling Jesus the Son of God, God in the flesh, is allowing truths that were once suppressed back out in the open, convicting once again. "They suppress the truth in unrighteousness".

I like that...any time someone disagrees with you, call them prejudice. Actually Catholicism does teach that very thing, but they hide it well. Ask them if they agree with this; We are save by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, just as I stated it, and your wolf in sheeps clothing will be exposed. Never fails.

I could go on all day quoting the Catholic church. Here is a few.

1. Pope Benedict XV, in 1918 - “Mary suffered with Christ and nearly died with Him when He died, thus she may rightly be said to have redeemed the human race with Christ.”

2. Pope Pius XI, in 1923 - “The virgin of sorrows shared the work of redemption with Jesus Christ.”

3. Pope Leo XIII, in 1891 – “No one can approach Christ except through His mother.”

4. The Catechism, in the Sunday Missal (Catholic Catechism) says, “My salvation depends on Mary’s mediation and union with Christ, because of her exalted position as Mediatrix of all grace.”

5. Vatican II, said, “Mary’s intercession continues to win for us the gift of eternal salvation.”

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/MARYCULT.HTM

Keep in mind...

"In a time like this of tolerance, listen, false teaching will always cry intolerance. It will always say you are being divisive, you are being unloving, you are being ungracious, because it can only survive when it doesn't get scrutinized. So it cries against any intolerance. It cries against any examination, any scrutiny—just let's embrace each other; let's love each other; let's put all that behind us. False doctrine cries the loudest about unity. Listen carefully when you hear the cry for unity, because it may be the cover of false doctrine encroaching. If ever we should follow 1 Thessalonians 5, and examine everything carefully, it's when somebody is crying unity, love, and acceptance."Macarthur

Irreconcilable Differences: Catholics, Evangelicals, and the New Quest for Unity http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/ECTDOC.HTM

Most educated Roman Catholics appreciate the distinction you make but many uneducated ones do not.
The distinction between devoted veneration (let's say to Holy Mary, Mother of God) and worship of the triune deity is effectively pretty small. You find a lot more churches and other institutions named for Mary than for the Holy Spirit.
Why do you suppose one's prayers would be more effectively communicated through a saint than directly to the godhead?

Peace upon u ...

ALLAH has said in the Holy Quran in Surat AL-Hujarat phrase 13 : {يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوباً وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ }الحجرات13
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made `you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware.
hence I think it's better to use such revolution of information technology to know each other and to know facts from its sources not just from TV.
the only thing i'd ask u not 2 ban me or remove my topic
let's b friends
if u want translations about Quran :
http://www.discover-islam-online.com/
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM
if u want to know about great Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) :
http://www.islamway.com/mohammad
for more knowledge about Islam :
http://www.islam-guide.com
http://www.sultan.org
and there r more

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why jews had come from allover the world to occupy our lands? do they think that we will give them our lands with no cost?

Sahih Bukhari 4.641, Narrated Sa'id bin Al Musaiyab

Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)

'Jesus was miraculously able to speak plainly and wisely while still in the cradle.
Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, No. 645, Narrated Abu Huraira

Narrated Abû Huraira : The Prophet said, " None spoke in the cradle but three : (The first was) Jesus , (the second child was): There was a man from the sons of Israel called Juraij. While he was offering prayer, his mother came and called him. He said (to himself), "Shall I answer her or keep on praying?" (He went on praying and did not answer her).

His mother said, "O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces of prostitutes." So while he was in his hermitage, a lady came and sought to seduce him, but he refused. So she went to a shepherd and presented herself to him to commit illegal sexual intercourse with her, and then later she gave birth to a child and claimed that it belonged to Juraij. The people, therefore, came to him and dismantled his hermitage and expelled him out of it and abused him. Juraij performed ablution and offered prayer, and then came to the child and said: "O child! Who is your father?" The child replied, "The shepherd" (after hearing this) the people said, "We shall rebuild your hermitage of gold," but he said: "No, of nothing but mud."

(The third was the hero of the following story): A lady from the sons of Israel was nursing her child when a handsome rider passed by her. She said, "O Allah! Make my child like him." on that the child left her breast and, facing the rider said: "O God! Do not make me like him." The child then started to suck her breast again. [(Abû Huraira further said, "As if I were now looking at the Prophet sucking his finger (in way of demonstration.")]. After a while they (some people) passed by, with a lady slave and she (i.e. the child's mother) said, "O Allah! Do not make my child like this (slave girl)!" On that the child left her breast, and said, "O Allah! Make me like her." When she asked why, the child replied, "The rider is one of the tyrants while this slave girl is falsely accused of theft and illegal sexual intercourse."


Jesus Peace Be Upon Him will return

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.657, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non-Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): 'And there is none of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e. Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol.7)

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.658, Narrated Abu Huraira
God's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur'an and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol.7).

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why jews had come from allover the world to occupy our lands? do they think that we will give them our lands with no cost?

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JUSTICE LEADS TO PEACE
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why jews had come from allover the world to occupy our lands? do they think that we will give them our lands with no cost?