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Old 06-13-2006, 09:02 PM
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Default Islam: Wicked or Peaceful??.....This No-Brainer..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_a...i-Semitic_laws _and_policies_in_Arab_countries

Islam is spreading evil throughout the world..........leaving death and destruction in it's wake!.......

It claims to be the religion of 'peace'......

Islamic theocracies and Sharia Law offer a glimpse into a religion in much need of reformation......yet the call for reform never comes.

Arab opinion of the Jewish People, 1921:

The Jews have been amongst the most active advocates of destruction in many lands... It is well known that the disintegration of Russia was wholly or in great part brought about by the Jews, and a large proportion of the defeat of Germany and Austria must also be put at their door.

Musa Khazem El Husseini, Mayor of Jerusalem to Winston Churchill, March 1921, quoted in Benny Morris, Righteous Victims, Knopf 1999 Page 99.

"People all over the world have come to realize that Hitler was right, since Jews . . . are bloodsuckers . . . interested in destroying the whole world which has . . . expelled them and despised them for centuries ... and burnt them in Hitler's crematoria ... one million ... six millions. Would that he had finished it!"
Anis Mansour, Al-Akhbar, August 19, 1973.

Chairman Arafat expresses his opinions about the Jewish People - "I have no use for Jews" -1996

"We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem....All the rich Jews who will get compensation will travel to America....We of the PLO will now concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living in the West Bank and in Jerusalem....You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State....I have no use for Jews; they are and remain Jews."
Yasser Arafat, then head of the PLO and PA President - Private speech entitled "The Impending Total Collapse of Israel", Stockholm, Sweden, January 30, 1996


Treatment of women:

Thus, in the case of nushûz, the Qur'an prescribes three steps. First, the husband is to admonish the wife and reason with her as to why her actions are damaging the family. Secondly, when discussion between the two fails, they are requested to start avoiding each other and remain separate. Lastly, the Qur'an prescribes idribûhunna as the final step.

The word idribûhunna (from the root daraba ضرب) has several meanings in the Qur'an. Its commonest meaning in Arabic has been rendered as "beat", "hit", "scourge", or "strike".

In Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, only the Taliban's version of Islam was permitted. The Taliban prevented women from working, and sharply restricted the education of girls. Women were also denied hospital treatment to prevent their exposure to male hospital staff.

More to come.......Any rebuttals????

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Old 06-13-2006, 10:43 PM
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Default sure, that's an easy one

Axiom number one of belief systems:

There's no such thing as "we believe".

That's an oxymoron. Belief belongs to the individual, not the collective.

Blaming an entire religion for the actions of one or a few people, is just like being a die-hard partisan in the <pick one> political party.

But that's the human tendency, right? We "subscribe" to make ourselves feel like we "belong". It's symptomatic of the human ego, there's nothing difficult to understand there.

There are extremists in every religion. There are Jewish extremists, Christian extremists, Buddhist extremists, Hindu extremists.... the list goes on.

It just so happens that the current "culture" of Islam is somewhat unique in the way it ties together politics, religion, and the law. But that's not to say it couldn't develop (or continue to develop), as every other religion has, without exception.

So no, I don't buy into your thesis. From my standpoint, that would be a pretty primitive way of looking at the world.

I mean, you personally may not be running around killing people in the name of God, but character assassination is kind of "murder" too, isn't it?

Think of it this way: by blaming "them", aren't you becoming exactly what you're accusing "them" of being?
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Treatment of women:

Thus, in the case of nushûz, the Qur'an prescribes three steps. First, the husband is to admonish the wife and reason with her as to why her actions are damaging the family. Secondly, when discussion between the two fails, they are requested to start avoiding each other and remain separate. Lastly, the Qur'an prescribes idribûhunna as the final step.

The word idribûhunna (from the root daraba ضرب) has several meanings in the Qur'an. Its commonest meaning in Arabic has been rendered as "beat", "hit", "scourge", or "strike".

In Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, only the Taliban's version of Islam was permitted. The Taliban prevented women from working, and sharply restricted the education of girls. Women were also denied hospital treatment to prevent their exposure to male hospital staff.
That's outrageous
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....................the same could be pretty much said about any religion. In the history of earth every religion that has claimed to be followed has a black eye in its time. So please don't try to act high and mighty and think your religion is superior to another. Peace.
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Most of the nastiest stuff is leftovers from pre-Islamic culture. Islam actually lightened it quite a bit, and at least set limits. There are Muslim feminists already claiming that the way women are treated is not a true interpretation of the Qu'uran. Right now they are being shut down by patriarchs who claim that they're just women and don't know what they're talking about... But once the Middle East becomes more modernized... don't expect this conservative resistance to hold.
Modernization is what gives women rights, not religion. Christianity used to be excessively sexist. Some of the gender traditions are still being fought to this day, but over all it's shifted. The same will happen with Islam.
Your condemnation of Islam only shows that you need to do a lot more study on the nature of religion.
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I think the Abramic religions are some of the most violent and primitive of our specie's great folly.

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I think the Abramic religions are some of the most violent and primitive of our specie's great folly.

Not really. They are an improvement over the pagan religions. They're just not perfect. A lot of brutalities are leftovers from old religions and traditions. And a lot of the flaws in the religions are based in the primitive superstitious aspects.
True, they are behind great conquests. But part of the reason those conquests were successful is that they had something to offer. They offered peace, unity, and meaning to peoples who were caught up in violent tribal warfare, amoral magic metaphysical outlooks, and cyclical thought. Part of the problem in the Islamic world is the continued clinging to tribal identity from long ago.
The question is where do we go from here? We should improve on the moral standards of the modern religions, not look backward and pretend that the old religions were somehow not worse.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:35 AM
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Default Evil Islam Did This...............

Warriors for Islam did this! see link below!!

Evil exists and we are fighting it!

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Muslims did this, so therefore the entire religion is evil?
If you can't see the logical fallacy, I'm afraid I can't help you.
Should I find a picture of the Crusades and post "Warriors of Christendom did this!"
By your logic, why don't we just nuke the entire Middle East? You seem to believe that Muslims are all evil and it's ridiculous to think we can convert them all.
It's flawed logic and will bring us to flawed policy.
I'm fine with the fighting we do as it is now and would love to see a democratic Iraq- even if that means a Muslim Republic. But by your logic, it will be an evil place.
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I think the Abramic religions are some of the most violent and primitive of our specie's great folly.

Not really. They are an improvement over the pagan religions.
The term "pagan religions" is a little ethnocentric, don't you think?
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They're just not perfect. A lot of brutalities are leftovers from old religions and traditions.
These religions of which you speak, the pagan ones, were largely eliminated by the Christians. The church thought those old form of worship were directed at Satan. This is ironic because Satan is a deity of the Abrahamic group.
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And a lot of the flaws in the religions are based in the primitive superstitious aspects.
Religion is, itself, based on primitive superstition.

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