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Old 06-15-2004, 10:26 AM
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Yes and maybe the people who spoke the true word of god was Hitler, Manson and Laden... god people just read the frickin' bible
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WHich Bible do you recommend we read? From which religion? The Bible has been revised, editted, translated, and updated so many times it's not even funny. The Bible is a book written and revised by man. Do you think it truly expresses the true willl fo God today?

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WHich Bible do you recommend we read? From which religion? The Bible has been revised, editted, translated, and updated so many times it's not even funny. The Bible is a book written and revised by man. Do you think it truly expresses the true willl fo God today?

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A book of parables and mythology written by men for men.

The parable,a short story that was never intendid to be taken literaly.
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I stopped believing in God a while ago, gradually I lost my faith, there was no defining moment. I think that the Catholic faith in which I was dragged up may have played a large part in this. I believe it was phrased perfectly in the film Dogma: "You Catholics, you don't celebrate your faith. You mourn it." I have a major problem with organised religion because it takes good morals and ideas and sets boundaries related to them. Take the Jewish faith for example, there was a good idea that every person should have one day a week for themselves and the Jews (along with others, just the example, please don't accuse me of being racist) put laws into effect limiting what a person could do on a Saturday, whether these laws are in effect still or not I think it proves my point.

I would like to believe in life after death but I'm not certain so I try to live for today. If I do have a next life I will let the next me worry about that and live for myself, I'm sure if there is a God he/she wouldn't deny me that.
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I stopped believing in God a while ago, gradually I lost my faith, there was no defining moment. I think that the Catholic faith in which I was dragged up may have played a large part in this. I believe it was phrased perfectly in the film Dogma: "You Catholics, you don't celebrate your faith. You mourn it." I have a major problem with organised religion because it takes good morals and ideas and sets boundaries related to them. Take the Jewish faith for example, there was a good idea that every person should have one day a week for themselves and the Jews (along with others, just the example, please don't accuse me of being racist) put laws into effect limiting what a person could do on a Saturday, whether these laws are in effect still or not I think it proves my point.

I would like to believe in life after death but I'm not certain so I try to live for today. If I do have a next life I will let the next me worry about that and live for myself, I'm sure if there is a God he/she wouldn't deny me that.
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I stopped believing in God a while ago, gradually I lost my faith, there was no defining moment. I think that the Catholic faith in which I was dragged up may have played a large part in this. I believe it was phrased perfectly in the film Dogma: "You Catholics, you don't celebrate your faith. You mourn it." I have a major problem with organised religion because it takes good morals and ideas and sets boundaries related to them. Take the Jewish faith for example, there was a good idea that every person should have one day a week for themselves and the Jews (along with others, just the example, please don't accuse me of being racist) put laws into effect limiting what a person could do on a Saturday, whether these laws are in effect still or not I think it proves my point.

I would like to believe in life after death but I'm not certain so I try to live for today. If I do have a next life I will let the next me worry about that and live for myself, I'm sure if there is a God he/she wouldn't deny me that.
Have a look into reincarnatrion and it's many truths may set you free.
At the moment I'm happy living for toay, but I'm willing to look at anything so where do you suggest I look?
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What if when you die, you get to heaven and God tells you that we all had it wrong. That the only people who got religion right were the Hare Krishnas. What will you do then?
I know it sounds stupid, but I think it's funny. Thats my problem with Organized religion, b/c in most of their eyes someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong. It just doesn't make sense to me.


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Hi guys. First time posting over here in Religion, so forgive me if this is well-traveled territory.

I'm an agnostic, raised Presbyterian but finally put sour on organized religion because the existence of God cannot be proven one way or the other, so why waste a lot of time and energy trying? If he exists, great. If he doesn't, okay. I guess I'll find out when I'm dead.

Demosthenes hit the problem with most organized religions on the head. Many of them say "we are the one true faith, believe in us or you will go to hell." I don't know why so many people fall for this; it strikes me as a completely transparent organizational tactic, not something that God would do.

What kind of God would create a world that contains thousands of religions, and then say to each of us: "Pick wisely, because only one of them will get you into heaven"? If that is indeed the kind of God we have -- petty and sadistic -- then I for one choose not to worship him even if he exists.

I choose to believe that if there is an afterlife, and the entrance requirement is based on what you do on earth, then the criteria will be as Demosthenes describes -- living a good, honorable life, regardless of what particular creed you subscribe to.

If that's what you mean by "honoring God", Old Soul, then I agree. If you mean "praying a lot and performing worship rituals", then I disagree. Any God worth having wouldn't give a rat's behind about being worshipped. And how you actually live your life should be more important than how many times a day you say "praise God."
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up for me. I've just always had a problem with the idea that I could live a good life, help people, work hard, not commit crimes, raise a family, but not adhere to a religion and I wouldn;t get into heaven. But a guy who has committed crimes, only cared about himself and live a meaningless existence, but finds Jesus in the end, asks for forgiveness and marches right through the pearly gates. It just eludes me. I know that doesn't apply to all religions, but it does to some.

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I think that he'd let people in who did what they thought was right, if the person thought killing people was right and they did it then the'd be let in. I'm a atheist from a highly religious family so i do no a bit about Christianity.

Pix.....do you still happen to know any scripture that can back up that statement of yours?
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