View Poll Results: Is the universe "finite" or "infinite"

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  • I "believe" only "x" amount of stuff poofed into existence on that fatefull day 14 billion years ago

    5 22.73%
  • I "believe" the universe is infinite and goes on forever in every direction

    17 77.27%
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  1. Default Is the universe "finite" or "infinite"

    I "believe" it is impossible for the universe to be anything other than infinite. If I travel at huge speeds, forever, will I fall off the edge of the universe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan View Post
    I "believe" it is impossible for the universe to be anything other than infinite. If I travel at huge speeds, forever, will I fall off the edge of the universe?
    Probably not, but maybe you'll pass through into another universe, defined through a difference in physics, that stop at the intangible gate of plasma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan View Post
    I "believe" it is impossible for the universe to be anything other than infinite. If I travel at huge speeds, forever, will I fall off the edge of the universe?
    No. You will end up back where you started and then go in loops. The universe we see is merely the surface of a 4-dimensional sphere with a definite limited 3D "surface" area but also obviously has no edges.

    (I don't necessarily believe this. The point is to show your premise is flawed.)
    I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure. People tell me I'm argumentative, but I beg to differ. All I know is it's bad luck to be superstitious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k7leetha View Post
    Probably not, but maybe you'll pass through into another universe, defined through a difference in physics, that stop at the intangible gate of plasma?
    K7; here is one that you might enjoy reading. I have read the intro page but have not viewed the available video clips. I find it intriguing.

    http://materialintangible.blogspot.c...n-of-dead.html
    "THOUGHT. The operation of the mind. No one can be punished for his mere thoughts however wicked they may be. Human laws cannot reach them, first, because they are unknown; and, secondly, unless made manifest by some action, they are not injurious to any one; but when they manifest themselves, then the act, which is the consequence, may be punished. Dig. 50 16, 225."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incorporeal View Post
    K7; here is one that you might enjoy reading. I have read the intro page but have not viewed the available video clips. I find it intriguing.

    http://materialintangible.blogspot.c...n-of-dead.html
    I used to be really fascinated by this sort of gnostic speak but not so much any more.

    But I will point out that this from the site is wrong:

    "Godel, Originator of The Uncertainty Principle"

    Kurt Godel was responsible for the incompleteness theorems.
    Werner Heisenberg derived the uncertainty principle.
    I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure. People tell me I'm argumentative, but I beg to differ. All I know is it's bad luck to be superstitious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmisho View Post
    No. You will end up back where you started and then go in loops. The universe we see is merely the surface of a 4-dimensional sphere with a definite limited 3D "surface" area but also obviously has no edges.
    This would be a finite universe. It has "x" amount of planets for exsample. An infinte universe has an infinte number of planets.

    (I don't necessarily believe this. The point is to show your premise is flawed.)
    Na, my premise is cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by k7leetha View Post
    Probably not, but maybe you'll pass through into another universe, defined through a difference in physics, that stop at the intangible gate of plasma?
    so you're sayin the universe is infinate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan View Post
    I "believe" it is impossible for the universe to be anything other than infinite. If I travel at huge speeds, forever, will I fall off the edge of the universe?
    I think the problem is, if you could actually travel faster than the speed of light (which I guess is what you're saying) you'd actually be time traveling, in other words effectively zipping through space and time, so only the flying spaghetti monster knows where you'd actually end up...

    Actually, if you zipped forward far enough in time, you'd probably end up at some point where all the energy in the universe (our observable universe) had all been used up, and all that was left were zillions of photons... so effectively nothingness, except not actually nothingness, just very spaced out (separated) packets of light/ radiation.... though what that would look like .....???
    Last edited by triffidfood; Nov 30 2010 at 09:53 AM.
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    existence is infinite, never ending...all else is finite change

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan View Post
    This would be a finite universe. It has "x" amount of planets for exsample. An infinte universe has an infinte number of planets.

    Na, my premise is cool
    Some people take some time to get the picture. Why don't boats sail off the end of the earth? Because there is no end. The earth is roughly a sphere, a finite surface area with no edges.

    Now think of the universe as an ocean on a planet with no land masses. You could sail around forever without ever meeting an edge. Without some distinguishing marker, such as stars by which to navigate or a stationary land mass, you might conclude that the ocean on which you sail is infinitely vast. But you would be wrong.
    I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure. People tell me I'm argumentative, but I beg to differ. All I know is it's bad luck to be superstitious.

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