The french at the rate their going will soon pass the causalities in Iraq. Yes, you got it, muslims. Civil war is breaking out, and the French, they just want to get along, like that is going to happen.
5 more years and they will be whining and pleading for our help...my answer...


...screw em', you made your bed, now lie in it. We'll give you the same courtesy you gave us, you traitors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wmuslims05.xml

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

France is rotten to the core - they get what they deserve ...

This is less about Islam and more about racial discrimination and urban deprivation.

But, on a side note, if fourteen officers injured per day and no-one killed equals `losing` and incipient `civil war` then how`s Iraq going?

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Marx (G.)

I might be wrong here, but I thought people die in wars. However, I did not know that people judge how a war is going by the number of casualties. I thought its supposed to be the results.

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-Woody Allen

When Sharon told the Jews of France to get out he was right !!
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3932313.stm )
F Chirac and his unwillingness to accept Islam for the violent entity that it is. Islam IS violent !! Muslems make up 8-12% of France's population but in the jails around Paris they represent somewhere in the order of 80% of the inmates. This is not coincidence !! I am affraid that affraid that our dear John is in the same boat as Chirac. Not willing to accept the nature of Islam. Wanting to see the best in a dangerous entity that is threatening the free world. I may sound like a hatemonger, but the fact is that I wish Muslems would openly say that some parts of the Qoran are wrong to follow. This won't readily happen as the Qoran's first passage states that it is the word of God, never to be changed.

Good luck France. The rest of Europe can certaily learn from this !! Surprised the Metro hasn't gone boom yet.

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Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

The French are not engaged in a 'war on terror' so they cannot be losing it.

What they are losing is their fight against discrimination in their society and their attempts at integration. Stories like the one you posted have little to do with Islam. They are due to mishandled immigration and discrimination.

Did a Frog violate you in some way during your youth? Your petty animosity towards the French is pathetic.

I always knew you were smarter than you let on.

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The Quran itself is a very violent book, it says to kill any non-Muslims. The only exception are Christians and Jews (people of the book). The Quran says that they should be treated harshly and heavily taxed.
The entire Islamic religion right down to the prophet Muhammad is violent. Muhammad was engaged in war for 10 years straight in his lifetime. He gained his wealth from war, had several wives (including possible pre-pubescent and teenage girls), and he had no problem growing rich in his military exploits. I know there are parts of the Quran which say that violence is bad etc...but they are kind of pointless, because that peace only extends to those that follow their belief system to a t.

BUT, I think that Frances problem is racism, segregation and crappy neighborhoods. You can find similar problems in ghettos in south america. Is that a racial issue?? No of course not, it is a case of people who are dirt poor and have nothing to lose. They engage in illegal activities to try and make quick money and their structure of street gangs becomes so tight that they have the power to fight back against a country like France that has an obvious weak police system.

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"In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Nietzsche

Regardless of Islam's past and the words of the Quran and Muhammed's actual life, most Muslims are evolving their religion toward a peaceful one and reconfiguring their history (as all religions do) to make it work in the modern world. Unfortunately, like Senax says, the radicals get more TV time not just here but in centrally controlled Middle Eastern TV. THe perceived power of the radicals makes their power, in effect, real. Those who should be speaking against them find themselves torn for many reasons:
fear of radicals killing their families, fear of possibly irking their God by going against clerics (especially in ME countries with controlled TV programming where only radical clerics are heard and the bulk of the population is uneducated), the suspicion that Westerners will not listen and will hate them anyway (as reaffirmed by our general reaction, especially in intolerant European countries- cough France cough cough)... probably even an idea that it should be obvious most Muslims are not violent. Afterall I'd imagine a nonviolent Muslim in a nice Western area (as opposed to a slum) meets peaceful Muslims on a regular basis and assumes it should be obvious (no group has a monopoly on self-centered ignorance- we all have it to some extent).
It's pretty clear that France's problem is due to its intolerance and failure to integrate. Even in other European countries where such problems exist, it is not as bad by any extent. In the US such problems are nearly unheard of.

As for whether Muslims should speak up against their radicals... of course they should. But how can they when they're always on the defensive from the people who should be backing up those denouncements?
What we're more likely to hear is a denouncement of both the West and radical Islam.

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