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Old 02-05-2007, 04:45 PM
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Yes, I have noticed that many Christians do not focus on Jesus' messages of love and kindness. They rather focus on the idea of Jesus as savior, and ignore his examples of how to treat fellow human beings. This makes them worse people, in my opinion, but doesn't necessarily make them any less Christian.

And the point about it being hard for wealthy folks to get into the Kingdom of God...I really don't think the message referred to all rich folks. I think it was referring to the rich folks who value their wealth more than they value God/Jesus and/or Jesus' principles.
nice post.

I happen to think helping your despondent neighbor to have the same God-given freedoms that you do is something that Jesus would commend - in this case, freeing the people of Iraq from tyrannic rule.

I only have to remember the number of Iraqi children dying everyday under the food for oil program, at I think it justifies serving as what is the will of Christ. I think the same thing concerning the conflict in Darfur. Do you?

There comes a time when one has to realize diplomacy has failed. When this time comes, as it did with me, then a Christian is obligated to do their duty as provided by the state- in this case, serving their country.
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Any true Christians here.
There haven't been any "true" Christians anywhere since the first century C.E.
Jesus wasn't even a Christian.
Heresy and nonsense.
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Any true Christians here.
There haven't been any "true" Christians anywhere since the first century C.E.
Jesus wasn't even a Christian.
Heresy and nonsense.
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Any true Christians here.
There haven't been any "true" Christians anywhere since the first century C.E.
Jesus wasn't even a Christian.
Heresy and nonsense.
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you first ;-P

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if you're definition of "christian" only includes people from the first century then IMO you need a better definition. Just a thought.
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if you're definition of "christian" only includes people from the first century then IMO you need a better definition. Just a thought.
Your point is well taken.
Definition is everything. If you can convince folks that your definition of a "true Christian" is the one the Christian god likes then the discussion's frame is set. My point about the disappearance of "true Christians" by the first century was meant to highlight the fractionalization that occurred at the very beginning of the movement.
The accusation of heresy by Pflaz is particularly ironic. This was precisely the charge brought by and against the contentious Christian sects in those early days. They continue to tussle to this day.

Jesus was not a Christian. He was a pious Jew.
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