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Old 06-01-2007, 06:57 AM
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The issue of "separation" is satisfied in the definition of redemption. The blood of Christ redeems any sins and evil present in our lives. In other words, when the Father views a redeemed person, he views only his Son.

I won't be making many future posts. Most subjects don't interest me. This subject did.
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Locke, I do not profess to be a teacher of the Word of God. This forum is simply not adequate even if I was. These kind of profound questions are better answered by a true Bible scholar who uses the original languages of the Bible.

Only someone who is called upon by God can give a responsible answer to your question. I suggest R.B. Thieme ministries. They teach from Hebrew and Greek and put things together for Christians who wish to learn. There is no charge for publications and recordings. http://rbthieme.org/publicat.htm
Darn, 12th, you were doing so good there for a minute....

Your original point was "free will", to which I tried to add the idea that the concept of "evil" is meaningless to anyone but the perceiver.....

Let's get back to "free will". We can all agree on that, right? I mean, out of all the ways of looking at man's relationship to the universe, that's one of the things that's common to all of them
Perceiving government in a "God" form (or vice versa) is not a good thing. Man has never known the mind of God so how could we ever amount to anything unless we respect that there are things that we can never control?
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The whole point of this topic is saying, if God wanted a perfect world with perfect human-beings then why did he create the devil? It says that
God know every hair on every head and every leaf on every tree and THE BEGINNING TO THE END. Now if God can see the beginning to the end then why did he tell them not to eat from the Garden of Eden WHEN HE KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO DO SO. God gave them a free will, well still yet if he knew the beginning to the end then he knew that they were going to do it?
If God knew the beginning to the end then why did he create the devil when he knew he was going to be as he is. He gave him free will, but still yet if he knew the beginning to the end then he knew that this angel was not going to be a satisfying aspect of an angel. He claim he wanted a perfect world and that question why he made the devil to mess that possibility up.
This is just like the abortion debate. They claim that God don't like abortions and it is murder then why does he put babies in women that he know is going to murder them. He is giving the girl a free will to choose what he says or do as she wish, but still yet he is suppose to know the beginning to the end and why does he still go ahead and make a perfect healthy baby and put in the stomach of a woman THAT HE KNOW IS GOING TO ABORT IT?
To me it seem as if this free will translate to evil because it certainly is where it is coming from. Get real and realize everything has something that is contrary-wise to it as like white=black, up=down, in=out and good=bad.
The bible has more loose-ends than a frayed skirt and is completely implausible. It is time to quit believing in something that was written when the world was flat. That thing was written when everyone thought the world was flat and above the clouds lived deities with golden bricked road, gates made of pearls and castles made of ivory. Below the ground lived demons in caves of fire. People of back then couldn't imagine us living on a round world and not fall off and it wasn't until 500 years ago that we learned the world was round and that was 1,500 years after the bible was written.
Time to let go of the father in the sky story and get real.
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I believe the idea is that Heaven was not so great. Because there was no free will so all the love that existed... wasn't really love.
Only through creating a being with free will and exposing them to an entity of hate and selfishness could he create love, which is better than perfection.

What I don't get is why God plans to punish the creature that he made become evil manifest. Lucifer, being an angel, could not have had free will.
Oh well... I suppose it's willing suspension of disbelief.
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