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Default Christianity VS. Islam

I have reason to believe that the Christian God, the Jewish YWHA, and the Islamic Allah, are all the same God. Christian God derived from Jewish YWHA, Islamic Allah derived from Christian God. So, therein lies the crux of my confusion. Other than distinct principles and traditions, what makes the believers of these faiths different, and by different i mean enemies? Sure they all read different books have different customs, but shouldn't there be some sort of peace or unity? They all worship the same God just under different names and they each have their own cacophony of prophets or people they believe carried the word of God. Where is the compromise? I mean this whole religious discrimination Christians and Muslims and Jews have against each other is driving me into complete....what's the word....(on risk of repeat) confusion.
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:39 AM
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Actually this only increases tensions.
It's one thing to be a heathen... Christians feel sorry for them. Muslims and Jews think of them as outsiders...
But overall... us heathens are worshipping something else or nothing. It's our problem, right?

It's quite another thing to be a blasphemer or a heretic. Same God... but different rules?! That's troublesome.

Although looking at things realistically... the holy wars have never been about religious differences. It's about resources and political power. The religion label is only used as a good excuse to mobilize the masses and get people with no actual common ground to work together against people who wouldn't necessarily be all that bad to them.
Holymen are the rationalizers of war and oppression...
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Default There are the same, at least according to the Koran

It is my understanding that according to the Koran, Mohammed described Allah as the same god that Moses and Jesus were talking about. Don't the Shia's believe that during Armageddon, the 12th and hidden Imam will return with Jesus during the final battle of good and evil. All three of these major religions formed in the cradle of civilization. Moses, Jesus and Mohammed could have gone to the same high school.
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It is my understanding that according to the Koran, Mohammed described Allah as the same god that Moses and Jesus were talking about. Don't the Shia's believe that during Armageddon, the 12th and hidden Imam will return with Jesus during the final battle of good and evil. All three of these major religions formed in the cradle of civilization. Moses, Jesus and Mohammed could have gone to the same high school.
Allah and the Christian God are not the same.
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Allah and the Christian God are not the same.
You need to expand on your reply. I have noticed many one liner responses to people's posts without any backing for their opinion. Obviously there are vast differences between the interpretation of God between Christianity and Islam. Can you expand. That would benefit the debate. Is my research wrong? Didn't Mohammad say that he is talking about the same god Jesus and Moses were talking about? That doesn't make God the same but it is an interesting fact knowing how much hate there is between Christians, Jews and Muslims when their religions are so closely related.
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Allah and the Christian God are not the same.
You need to expand on your reply. I have noticed many one liner responses to people's posts without any backing for their opinion. Obviously there are vast differences between the interpretation of God between Christianity and Islam. Can you expand. That would benefit the debate. Is my research wrong? Didn't Mohammad say that he is talking about the same god Jesus and Moses were talking about? That doesn't make God the same but it is an interesting fact knowing how much hate there is between Christians, Jews and Muslims when their religions are so closely related.
He doesn't need to explain his answer. He was merely stating an unsupported opinion. And everyone is entitled to have unsupported opinions.

Since there is not one single solitary shread of empirical evidence to prove the existance of a god.
There is no real point in debating if one god with ZERO evidence is better or the same than another god with ZERO evidence.

I believe that the world in controlled by cows, and they are the one true god.

I just happen to have the exact same amount of proof as both Islam and Christianity, so which is correct , of if the Cows are actually the god mentioned in the Bible or Koran is up to mindless debate.

I hope this helps.

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The God of Bible vs. the God of Qur'an etc.
http://answering-islam.org/God/index.html

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I think this thread kinda misses the point.

At least "so far"....

The point would be, that the Jewish religion says "one God", the Christian religion says "one God", and the Muslim religion says, "one God".

Therefore, they must all be the same God, right?

And it doesn't matter by what NAME you call him (his "name" seems to be kinda obscure and hard to understand anyway, according to the Jews... ) - it's still the same God.

This is a very interesting exercise - go through the New Testament, and the Qu'ran, and count tne number of times the word "only" is used, in relation to claims of God.

I assure, you, you can count the occurrences on your fingers.

For instance, Jesus said, "I am the son of God", but he never said, "I am the only son of God". (there's a footnote to that, about the meaning of the word "I" in that context, because there's a famous passage that goes "no comes to the Father but by Me", and there's pretty clear evidence that the "Me" Jesus appears to have been talking about, was "Me my state of mind", and not "Me my physical body") -

And then, Mohammed said, "I am the messenger", but he never said, "I am the only messenger" -

So, see - stuff like that. You gotta be very careful when studying stuff like this, 'cause the devil is in the details.
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