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Old 12-26-2007, 12:28 PM
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thanks, i will look into that.

another question though... is this a mainstream viewpoint on the matter?
I would say so, a mainstream Protestant view anyway! It's what Martin Luther taught, and he started the whole Protestant thing! (With nods also to John Calvin and a few others).

And I'd say it's the prevalent view among American Evangelicals, though many don't practice what they preach. My pastor teaches it, and I belong to an Assemblies of God church, a Pentecostal denomination... which are not noted for being liberal.

Now, that does not mean just go sin all you want! But it means you should follow the intent of what Christ taught, and not any "letter of the law" stuff. As a Christ-follower, you'll stumble lots and lots of times. Don't worry, don't feel guilty, just tell God you screwed up and you're sorry, and ask for His help to do better next time. As the bumper sticker says, "Please be patient, God isn't finished with me yet".

So far as what sexual practices are allowed for Christians inside marriage? I can find only one which is forbidden - withholding sex from your partner without good reason (like being sick or something). Otherwise, whatever you and your spouse enjoy.

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Yes, I'd agree with Izdaari on that point, and I second her opinion there.

That is a mainstream viewpoint, and it does dovetail with my understanding of Jesus' teachings.

I'll let others chime in with their "seconds" or "counter-opinions", that's just mine.

Jesus was quite clear on his view about "the law" and "the rules", yes?

And I agree, many Christians recognize those two, as being primary.
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The Old Testament is different, it has admonishments about "spilling seed" and so on, but tne NT is largely devoid of that kinda stuff (except for some of Paul's moralistic ravings in those later books, but I mean, his strength was "administration" and not really "morality", right? ) -
The admonishment (and if memory serves he was struck dead -- it was Onan). The reason was this. It was Jewish rule that if a man died, his brother would take his wife to wed and provide her with children that would legally be the children of the dead brother ...

It was a way before welfare to make sure that a woman was not left destitute when there were other men in the family to take care of her. In those days polygamy was acceptable. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

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Marriage is not solely, or even primarily, for the purpose of procreation. Traditional sources recognize that companionship, love and intimacy are the primary purposes of marriage, noting that woman was created in Gen. 2:18 because "it is not good for man to be alone," rather than because she was necessary for procreation.

Sex is not shameful, sinful or obscene. It is not solely for the purpose of procreation. When sexual desire is satisfied between a husband and wife at the proper time, out of mutual love and desire, sex is a mitzvah.
http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm
In fact it is a requirement under Jewish law. Any converts?
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Yep. That's another great example of "Old Covenant" stuff.

It used to be a brother's obligation - his duty - to marry his brother's widow if anything happened to him.

And that, had to do with the concept that there "weren't very many" Jews, and every kid was precious.

And so once again, to "fully" understand that, you'd have to go "outside" of the Bible, 'cause I mean, a lot of other cultures around the area had that same thing going on.
No, it had to do with societal structure and the need for women to have protection and family in the event that a spouse died. Also scientifically it really does pass on the DNA of the brother quite closely. It made certain that your brother's family was not destitute.
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regarding specific sexual practices like oral or anal sex, the Bible doesn't seem to go into particular detail. If I recall there is a prohibition against sex with animals, and with "men lying with other men as they would with a woman" -- words to that effect.

Jesus wasn't particularly into sex either as he says nothing whatever about it, except perhaps "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

What bothers me about Christianity is the ability of Christians to so easily forgive themselves for moral lapses. I knew a Jew who murdered his wife in a fit of rage and then converted to Catholicism in jail in order to find forgiveness in Jesus. I think Jesus was even harder to follow than traditional Judaism -- he was after all a Jew, steeped in the Jewish tradition, a teacher, a Rabbi-- I think a lot of Christians just think they have to believe and lo! they are transformed into "good people." I am not so sure that Jesus was not a tough act. It was not enough for Him that you did not murder somebody, you couldn't even be pissed off at him! You couldn't even "lust in your heart" for the neighbor gal.
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As an 18 year old college student, it is not hard for me to find interest enough to research this.

My take on it is that sex (any sex) is ok as long as it's in the context of marriage. Outside of marriage it is a sin.

2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth—
for your love is more delightful than wine.

3 Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes;
your name is like perfume poured out.
No wonder the maidens love you!

4 Take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.
Song of Solomon:2-4 (NIV)

That seams pretty definitive to me. I mean they subjects in these verses are clearly interested in sex for purposes other than conception. Those are just the first couple of chapters. You can read the whole book, which reads kinda like a romance novel. I think it's also the only book to ever be censored by the church.
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I had to say Roman Catholics are really something; they don't allow sex without pregnancy but they believe in pregancy without sex (virgin birth)
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I had to say Roman Catholics are really something; they don't allow sex without pregnancy but they believe in pregancy without sex (virgin birth)
lol, I never thought of that before
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that was a waste.

you will get nothing but a LOL from me, sir.

good day!
No it wasnt, look what your "ejaculation" has created.
I am an atheist, so does that make me in the terms of this thread a "Voyeur" and because I love all forms of intercourse( at my age social intercourse is leaping up my fav list) is that a problem to others with a more puritan streak?
This thread is like the Masochist asking the Sadist to whip him, and the Sadist refusing.
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yes it was because... im not a man of faith. if i were, i wouldve replied with more than laughter, which is probably what he wanted.
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