ive discussed this with a few other people and i have yet to see an argument that legitimizes sex where contraceptive methods are used. im talking christians, specifically.

it is my understanding, that if you intend to impede fertilization while having sex, it is a sin. however, i have heard people claim that any kind of sex, no matter how obscene, is okay as long as its within marriage.

i would like to hear the opinions of other christians on that matter. or other people who are familiar with christianity at the very least.

mainly, i want to hear arguments that suggest sex is ok even when you prevent pregnancy on purpose. i wonder if there is something in the bible that has not been cited in the other discussions ive been involved in.

thanks!

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Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to say sex is okay outside marriage, I simply refer them to the Bible. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?


I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?


A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?


Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?


I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?


My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

that was a waste.

you will get nothing but a LOL from me, sir.

good day!

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well. the new testament (god help me i can't remember where) says that spouses should not withhold sex from each other for any reason, because your body belongs to your spouse and your job is to ensure that you serve each other. but it doesn't say anything about babies.

i'm willing to say that sex without pregnancy is fine. this whole omg babies! thing is really very new. i don't know what people are on about.

If God's purpose for sex was to create babies, there wouldn't be a way around it.

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There you go Well said.

That's the only "logically consistent" position, if you're a Christian.

The Old Testament is different, it has admonishments about "spilling seed" and so on, but tne NT is largely devoid of that kinda stuff (except for some of Paul's moralistic ravings in those later books, but I mean, his strength was "administration" and not really "morality", right? ) -

Also what's interesting, is that in some of the "lost Gospels" (Nag Hammadi manuscripts and so on), there is some "opinion" from Jesus (allegedly), on what sex means in the context of relationships. But I mean, that's not the "official" Bible, but there's "pretty good" evidence that the manuscripts are authentic. So.... you know, it "may" be genuine evidence, in which case it does present "an opinion" from Jesus on this subject.

Thanks, I thought it was pretty logical myself. :P

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Believing that McAfee is going to protect you from hackers and viruses is exactly like believing that republicans can actually protect you from terrorists.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.

The Bible is pretty clear when defining sexual immorality. Any sex outside marriage is a no-go. I can find nothing in the Bible insinuating or implying that sex in marriage for purposes other than procreation is wrong. Where does it say that the purpose of sex is only to create babies?

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what nonsqtr mentioned about spilling seed is what comes to my mind on this matter. there is that one account of onan, who was told to have a child with his dead brother's widow, and he was killed for spilling his seed on the ground. i think there was a similar scenario in another section where the man also refused, but didnt have sex at all, and he wasnt put to death.

now, i dont think the discussion would get very graphic on this forum so i wont take it there, but on another forum where this topic came up, one of the people arguing said anything goes in marriage - i mean anything.

im just interested in knowing what other people think about this subject.

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That person obviously hasn't seen Maury or Jerry Springer.

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Believing that McAfee is going to protect you from hackers and viruses is exactly like believing that republicans can actually protect you from terrorists.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.