watch the video here

interesting video about evangelists and patrick henry college.

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I think this film was produced about 25 miles below the earth's crust.

Let me see if I get this straight. C.S. Lewis; Charles Spurgeon; John McArthur; and James Dobson all have one thing in common. Global conquest on a Spanish Inquisition Scale? I can see the dungeons in the basement of Dallas Theological Seminary right now, working their dark magic. Secretly, Josh McDowell wrote Evidence that Demands a Verdict because he wanted to make a lot of money. Oh, and Billy Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Sunday) and Billy Graham (http://www.billygraham.org/SpiritualHelp_Index.asp) now they are good examples of power hungry war mongers. Don't forget the ruination Bill Bright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bright) brought to America's youth, that whole "wait until your married" and "God loves you and has a plan for your life" thing was just a cover for some sinister plot.

Just because someone calls themselves an "Evangelical Christian" doesn't mean they are one. Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swaggart, and Kenneth Copeland can read out of the Book of John all they like, but we aren't fooled.

The Bible was written for the Christian and the Non-Christian alike. The Chrisitian (hopefully) uses it to become a better person. The Non-Christian can use it, to determin if they are really talking to a Christian or not.

If you got some guy saying he's a Christian, and he's a liar, a theif and a murderer. Then you can either lump all Christians into a biogoted sterio type in grand Hollywood (or BBC) style (...trying to make an excuse why you aren't very moral yourself?) or be honest with others and yourself and assess each person's character for what it is.

Why can't liberals stop repeating ignorance for the sake of your own agenda, why not do your own homework and follow your own standards of evidence, before you start telling everyone that the Christians burned Rome.

ignorance? the evidence in this video is clear, usgrant. these people intend to guide this country into a theocratic direction. they want to legislate faith.

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Step outside of the box for a second or two.

No one from that college wants to force you to believe anything. If you listen carefully, they want to influence government policy so that it more closely resembles the virtues of their faith.

And what's the harm in that?

Jesus espoused charity, kindness, mercy, trustworthiness, honesty, responsibility, love others more than you love yourself, to name just a few. What's the harm in that?

The break down comes when people leave the "faith" and turn to secular humanism, which essentially is - "man is the ultimate decider of value". Who wants another despot only beholding to their own subjective form of truth?

I would say that the enemy isn't the evangelicals. If you wish to profile the true theocratic enemy, they can be found in the extreme radical tents of Al Saide and Bin Laden... Now there is a provable track record.

Any group of wicked individuals who want to rule over others with oppression and evil are going to pick whatever means is at their disposal. Be it Karl Marx or Pope Benedict or even Benny Hinn. Just because a hammer is handy when someone needs it to bash in the scull of another, does that mean the hammer is inherently evil? Of course not. Just because some idiot uses God to exploit or murder, does that make God evil? No.

The lowest common denominator in all of our worlds past ills isn't God, or Marx, or Nazism. It is the evil hearts of powerful individuals. The only thing we can know for sure is that eventually they die, and hopefully they don't leave someone behind to continue their evil.

I like the cliché, "The only means by which evil thrives is when good people do nothing." Or something like that. Stop trying to put a face on evil. It has it's own face.

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no, not force anyone to believe, just influence government so that people are forced to act in accordance with the blind faith of some. not all of it is harmful, but the good in religions can exist outside of religion. then there are issues like civil rights (gay marriage), a womans choice for abortion, freedom of religion. in this day n age, setting standards based on an old book of fairy tales just isnt logical.

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The Bible may be a book of fairy tales to some. But to others it isn't. In fact, the Bible is the most unique book ever written. It is translated into more languages than any other. It is more circulated than any other. It is quoted more than any other. Homer's writings are fair tails. I don't think Aesop will argue with you about his stories either. I would even wager to say that the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe’s author would lay down on that one. But the Bible is the mother of all books.

And the Bible's writers don’t consider it a fairy tale. 66 books, 40 authors agreeing on the most controversial subjects across 1000's of years. I would venture to say there is none like it. So to call it a fairy tale is a little myopic to me, without first considering the facts about its origin.

No other book has seen history like it has. Thousand vowed to stamp it out, for one reason or another. Yet it lives on. Translated across many languages over 1000's of years, yet when the Dead Sea scrolls were found, less than 1% of the writing contain any error at all, and those were style differences, and not content conflicts. I would say that this book is more than just a fairy tale.

But if the Bible IS a fairy tale, then I don't blame the abortionists, the homosexuals, the Hindu's, or any other person who wants to oppose it, for seeking it's destruction. For if God wrote the Bible and it was true, then God would certainly have issue with them, now wouldn't he?

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not myopic at all, i have no problem with religion existing, but when people try to force others to act according to religion there is a problem. youre response to my post is to say the bible is unique and well distributed, and old. the danger with entertaining irrationality is you encourage it. this touches on something i forgot to mention earlier, creationism in schools. simply absurd, backwards.

the destruction of the bible isnt being sought. whats being sought is equality and/or objectivity.

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Judging by the posts I have read. I would agree.

I believe you don't.

I agree with this also. I am pretty sure Jesus called those people "white-washed graves".

I do have issue with this statement. I am sorry I didn't type my words better. I think I said that all of these qualities make the Bible "unique in all the world". Arther Conan Doyal's writings are unique, old and well distributed. But if you add his writings and also the scale of no. 2 through 10 you wouldn't even come close to the Bible's stats. And you missed, "most accurately translated from the ancient text".

The Bible's uniqueness doesn't force people to believe it, however I do believe it's uniqueness deserves a better assessment than the unscientific crytiques offered by CNN and the Discovery Channel.

I guess you and I are here for the same reasons.

I appreciate statements like this. It helps me guage the quality of the criticism I am being given. If I say that Joseph Smith was a liar and a sharleton. In order to establish credibility, I need to pull out one of those 3 dollar bills he tried circulating in Illinois.

I found this statement interesting. Do you feel your comments demonstrate equality and objectivity?

My experiences tells me that making blanket inflamatory statements without carefully considering what is being said may hurt or injure the position of the opposing side, is a clear sign of wanting to destroy something.

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i dont think theres any way of explaining or describing the bible any better. i get that you would rather not consider it a fairy tale, but it does contain a fantastic story with no supporting evidence.

do my comments demonstrate equality and objectivity? yes, in the proper contexts. equality as in civil (gay) rights vs "religiously motivated" bigotry. objective as in fact vs fiction, seeing is believing vs believing is seeing.

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This is a factually inaccurate statement. There is more archeological evidences of historical events and people in the Bible than in any other book of antiquity. (referencing events of the relevant time periods)

Rush Limbaugh used the same arguement when he was trying to convince ESPN executives that his comments about Donovan McNabb's 0-2 record needed to be taken in context.

I have a feeling that since you mentioned "gay rights" quite a few times, that this issue is really the foundation of your motivation to discredit the Bible. You are not stupid, so you must know that the Bible isn't exactly "pro-homosexual rights". It is my opinion that each gay man and woman must come to a decision about their choices. Will God approve or disapprove?
YOU ARE NOT ALONE, the liars, cheats, idolitors, murders, and other "sinners" have a place right along side you. I have a place right along side of you. Roman's 3:23 says, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." So if the Bible is true, then it is impossible to count yourself worthy of life eternal.
So how can anyone possibly be reconciled to God? The answer is in the life, death and resurection of God's Son. I don't drink to excess anymore, because of the work His Son has done for me. I know of people who were in the gay community who are no longer living that lifestyle, because of His Son. I know people who are no longer given to thievery, drugs, and violence, because of His Son.
My point here is that I was also a man who searched long and hard to find an intellectual excuse for my moral life. After failing without hope, I had to come to the conclusion that, the Bible also makes sense because its the only believable Book about the unbelievable. A Book writen by God, how the God of all there is, rescued a sinful people by paying the price for their sin with the blood of His Son.
I guess you have to get past that, before you can benefit from the Bible's message. If you can't get past that, then all the other fantastic stories are meaningless. I would consider it intellectually honest if you gave the Bible a serious look, before you sling around words like "fairy-tale". As a former police officer, and U.S.Army Officer, I have a strict standard of evidence. I must say, the Bible won me over, beyond reasonable doubt.

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