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Old 02-27-2008, 11:24 AM
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The Bible does not allow itself to be thought of in any other way, other than to be entirely truthful. It says that it is all useful for instruction, it says it's perfect, it says that not one part will be false, till all of what it speaks of, takes place.

When a Christian says that a writer is using metaphor, then it is or it isn’t'. Pure and simple. If it is, then the person is telling you the truth, and you have a reliable source of information. If it isn't, then the person is either mistaken or is a liar. Either way, the information you get isn't as trust worthy.

Just because you may know some unreliable sources of information, doesn't mean that you can heap a truck load of guilt upon the whole population group. I am sorry that there were people in your life who attempted to ruin your view of God. But as we talked about before, the state of the messenger doesn't not always reflect the quality of it's sender.

i get what your saying with the bible allowing only to be shown as truth, but if you deal with anything in absolutes youre doomed to make mistakes, and in the bibles case, you can inadvertently turn people away. thats a bit selective if you can pick n choose when youll be willing to accept something as figurative. and i appreciate your apology, but no one has tried to ruin christianity for me, my views are a result of my doing.
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"religion isnt unique to conservatives."

do you know what the above statement means? there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.
You are incorrect, per google the phrase mostly unique comes up with over 3 million hits making the use of the phrase not so unique. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

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USGrant, you seem really concerned that someone would suggest that the Bible might not be the literal word of God.

But tell me. Would your faith in God be destroyed if it was proven that certain parts of it (like, say, the Genesis story) had to be metaphorical?

If so, what does that say about the strength of your faith?

If not, what are you worried about?

Further, consider these possibilities:

What if it wasn't metaphorical, but general? As in "creating the birds of the air and the fish of the sea" didn't mean creating them in their modern forms, but in the form of their evolutionary precursors?

What if it wasn't metaphorical, but a "day" back then wasn't the same as a day now (especially because day and night weren't created until midway through the process)? Could not a day back then have lasted the equivalent of a billion years today?

If your answer to any of that is "no", does that not arbitrarily limit the God you claim is omnipotent?

There are plenty of literal readings of the Bible that yield results compatible with science and evolution. You've just chosen the narrowest such interpretation. Which makes no particular sense as a matter of either logic or faith.
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1) The Koran also claims to be perfect.
Can you find me a quote?

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2) I like how you "know" that if a person claims "that a writer is using a metaphor" that they are mistaken or lying. Being that the oldest known bible was written many years after the death of Jesus (60ish), how do you know what the author's meant?
Actually, this is not entirely correct, unless of course you are speaking strictly of the New Testament. Then of course, you would be very close to what is thought to be the writings of most of the books of the New Testament.

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3) It seems to me that the perons who "attempt to ruin the view of God" are always Christians. (See Prosperity Gospel)Ixtellor
Sadly enough, this is also correct. There are thousands of people all over the world, who claim to be "Christian", but who are nothing more than religeous people practicing their own brand of religeon. Thank you for this honest and challenging post.
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