Hah. You weren't deemed rude and combative, you just were never able to substantiate your views with evidence, and preferred to ignore all evidence contrary to your position. I wouldn't call that rude and combative, I'd call it willful ignorance.

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Logically speaking, do you believe all religions on earth were created by God? If you don't, how do you determine between those that were humanly-created, and those that were of divine origins?

How do you know that Scientology, created by L. Ron Hubbard, was not divinely inspired, for instance?

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Faith~ Acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or reason.

That's not what I'm talking about, and I'm quite sure you realize that. I'm talking about your claims about society going to hell in a handbasket due to atheism.

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Look at my analogy again. You will see a difference.

I don't know. That was not my point. My point was you can not prove it either way. I believe what I believe because I believe. That is all the "evidence" I can give.

Also, remember way back in this thread. I said I do not agree with organized religion.

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While I wouldn't like #3 there I wouldn't accuse any of them of having the double standard I'm talking about. At least unless #3 was arguing against the general practice of attempting to convert someone.

What I'm talking about is, by analogy, like espousing the Geneva conventions and then dropping a bunch of biological weapons.

The point of the thread is the hopefully atheists won't do it, and that non-atheists will be paying attention to call them on it if they do.

If it isn't as widespread as I perceive it to be all the batter.

because it is........................

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Originally Posted by Inferno You just don't relate to my sense of humor. How about this. Gosh darn funny man living in a whale. doncha know that gawd could do that I betcha he could. wink wink.

Although I know this board has a greater number of American who contribute than people from other countries.
So from my perspective as an Athiest and a Brit this is my take.

I have a number of friends who are religious, I dont think we have ever had a discussion about that fact!

Living in a Soc with out of 60 million, we have only about 350 000 active worshippers of any faith.

The only time Religion is in the spotlight, is when it has a problem from within, like the struggle the Church of England has with its gay clergy.

I think the concencus within the church is that you can be a Gay clergyman as long as you remain celibate.

This has caused problems for them of late, because one of thier Bishops has stated that he has an active sex life with his male partner. I would never dream of making any form of comment in the UK re a problem that is caused by religion within that religion!

The only time I did involve myself in such a debate was about the shops opening on Sunday, it appeared that I was on the side of the church because I wanted employment protection for people who for whatever reason did not wish to work on sunday, historically and religiously a "day of rest"

I have a great respect for our olympic champion Jonathan Edwards faith, he refused to compete on Sundays, it cost him in many ways!

Now retired from athletics he had a new career as a TV sports presenter, and a presenter of the Religious prog "Song of Faith"

Last year he had a massive crisis with his faith and resigned from all religious broadcasting, because to quote a friend " he now doubted god existed (some friend) please google him!

I take no pleasure out of his crisis!


I can understand the comments about the force feeding of religion down your throats in America it offended me! but it is your country.


Our last visit in Jan/Feb, my wife and I noticed far more homeless people begging at the traffic lights on the route we take to return home Kendall Drive Miami.

We also noted the intolerance of the people in cars behind me when we handed these people some money.

They would all say when we gave, " Jesus love you" I would respond "I doubt I am an atheist"

I felt guilty for saying that because their faith was probably the only thing they had left.

So on a Sunday I stopped my car for a chat with three of these men, at first they could not understand why I wanted to talk to them, they then wanted to know about the UK.

I then touched on there faith and was suprised to find that one of these three friends in adversity was an atheist, but as the three agreed they get very little "sympathy" from the "have's" so the atheist towed the line, we all agreed we had no problem with that.

I then did not wish to debate religion with them as I though any contribution that I would make pro or anti would be an insult to any dignity these human beings had left.

I would love to debate with the SUV drivers with the fish symbol on the rear of there vehicle's who with their kids on board on the way to church turned to look the other way as these human beings tried to make a living.

Sunday is the least productive for these people, and the hardest for them as they see the "have's" enjoying themselves as they "work" on a day of rest!

Yes some Atheists are militant, ignorant and are full of double standards.

I cant speak for them, all I can speak for is myself.

All that I want religious people to do, is keep their faith out of political issues.

That is all that bothers me about religious people is when they do that. I dont hate religious people, I dont look down on them for their beliefs, I simply dont want their religious beliefs and morals thrown into law because then in effect they are shoving them down MY throat.\

I dont care if people pray in public, or pray in school for all I care. I dont care that it says God on our currency, or that God is in the national anthem. Heck im a big fan of Christmas and love Christmas trees. Put your naitivity scene in your front yard...I dont care!!... So lets not get rid of those either.

However when you try to tell me that something should be a law, and all you have is religion to back your political point of view up, then it is a problem because your taking something (religion) with NO PROOF or EVIDENCE to back it up, and you are trying to get it passes as law.

Every other type of law that gets passed in this nation requires that there be some proof of its validity before getting passed. However when it comes to "moral" issues, religion is allowed as "proof" and I cant stand that because from a historical and scientific stand point there is little to no proof to back up any organized religion.

Prove to me that God exists and that his morals match your own and ill take up your morals and allow you to put them into law. Until then there is no proof and it shouldnt be done.

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